[WSG] Lakshmi Satyanarayana/ESS/NSW_AG is out of the office.

2005-12-21 Thread Lakshmi_Satyanarayana
I will be out of the office starting 22/12/2005 and will not return until 03/01/2006. For Infolink, Lawlink or any other website Queries/Support please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Francesco
Two of the best things I've picked up this year include: * minimizing container and wrapper DIVs, writing minimalist CSS * I learned this last year, but still love it to death: margin: 0 20px 10px 0; instead of writing margin-top, margin-bottom, etc. Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Soft

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Best new bit of knowledge for me in 2005? XSL. If you know and enjoy using CSS, dive into XSL; it'll rock your world :) hoping everyone has a safe and happy holiday season, Andrew.

Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Drew,   Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/   Barrie   Only way I was able to eliminate the scroll is to make the headerimg a background image

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Kay Smoljak
Not the best thing I learnt, but the best thing I did: going to Web Essentials. I can't wait for next year. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.zombiecoder.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/ma

RE: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Barrie North
Hi all, I have had to change the url to: http://compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/slideproblem.html Barrie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barrie North Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WS

Re: [WSG] Site Critic

2005-12-21 Thread Nathan Wheatley
Hey Cheree, I can't say that you offended anyone. I see nothing in your writing, or anyone elses to suggest otherwise. If you follow the tips that the other members have posted here, I am sure you will do fine. Please don't be hesitate to ask for assistance, or to critic it in the future. That i

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Alvaro Mouriño
"Transition from tables to web standards" is one of the goals I didn't achieve this year. But finding this list was, for sure, one of the best things of the year. Learnt LOT of things, and still have lots more to learn... Migrating completely to Web Standards is one of them (and it's in the top of

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Jay Gilmore
Semantics in mark-up. Minimize Div's and Span use. Still looking for a valid replacement to the IE CSS, display: inline-block; thing... All the best, Jay Paul Noone wrote: It's a God-send. If only it had been properly explained sooner. Fortunately my recent conversion to virtually table

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Jared Smith
kvnmcwebn wrote: best things i learned this year- 1)the star selector hack and before that the underscore hack Best thing I learned this year- 1) How to stop using hacks ;-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See htt

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Terrence Wood
Vlad Alexander said: > Thanks for sharing that with us. Can you please let me know the > source of this info? Anybody else have an opinion on this? ... This is a long summary, but was well received by our testers. It may be useful to note the comment from an accountant on a WCAG discussion starte

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread kvnmcwebn
best things i learned this year- 1)the star selector hack and before that the underscore hack ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the l

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
It's a God-send. If only it had been properly explained sooner. Fortunately my recent conversion to virtually tableless websites means I do't have many changes to make. :) -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Rachel Radford
Sheesh, I've learnt everything this year! Transition from tables to web standards :D The most revolutionary of all would probably creating forms using labels, field sets etc. instead of tables. The coolest would be style-switching (I know it's not new - but new to me in 2005!) -Original Mes

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread XStandard
Hi Terrence, > The summary attribute is best used to describe the > structure of the table, not to summarise it's content. Thanks for sharing that with us. Can you please let me know the source of this info? Anybody else have an opinion on this? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Ori

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
There's no prize Graham but I'm gonna say, "Aww...shucks" anyway. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 9:21 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in

Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Kenny Graham
The best web standards thing I found this year was this mailing list. You guys are great! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & ge

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Nice work Georg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2005 3:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes Samuel Richardson wrote: > What's the best, cross-browser supp

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
My greatest discovery was seeing how images could be sized using % at WebEssentials. :) My greatest let-down was learning that it wasn't supported in IE. :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 8:2

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
We have to start somewhere and building for the majority would seem to make sense, otherwise why would we even bother how our sites looked in IE? :) That being said, we are also all about making the Web accessible for 'everyone'. In the case of people who change their browser settings, they have d

RE: [WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Exactly so.   I have, however, noticed that I also need to apply a 100% font-size to - td, ul, ol, li, p, form - to stop inheritance problems though. This seems to be erratic and something I still haven't completely worked out.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Enough said. So nothing changes. Good. It would be nice if this could be properly documented in Mr Allsopp's new project. Bad examples are littered throughout the Web and do nothing to help novices or the greater good. -Original Message- From: Felix Miata Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2005

Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
On 12/21/05, Barrie North <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Drew,   Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didn't work :/   Barrie   That's what I  get for not trying the solution before  profoundly pronouncing it. This one is

[WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Terrence Wood
The best web standards thing I learnt in 2005 is: How to best use the summary attribute for screen reader users: The summary attribute is best used to describe the structure of the table, not to summarise it's content. A longer summary is better according to actual screen reader user testing. Ho

Re: [WSG] css print help

2005-12-21 Thread Terrence Wood
Greg Morphis said: > Looks great until you try to print in landscape. Can someone please > help me with adjusting the css so that the print preview looks the > same as it does in the browser. Interesting problem. I'm not sure you can access the print settings dialog from the browser, if that's wh

RE: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Barrie North
Hey Drew,   Well, I tried min-width 300px and then removed the min-width completely and it still didn’t work :/   Barrie   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Trusz Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject

[WSG] re: overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
Barrie North wrote: Hi all,   I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be "cropped" as the screen adjusts.   Here is the link:   http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/   If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have

[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Drew Trusz
Barrie North wrote: Hi all,   I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be "cropped" as the screen adjusts.   Here is the link:   http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/   If you resize the window the image will stay on

RE: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Barrie North
Thanks for all the replies guys, "In my banners/headers I almost always use background image...alternative is a % width." I need to do it as an image in the xhtml rather than css, it's a restriction of the CMS I am using "it would help to clean it up before seeking advice" Lol, all the main rule

[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Matthew Harris
Hi and thanks for your email. I am currently on leave from 20th December until the 10th of January on Christmas holidays. For urgent queries please contact Nicole Dixon on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks and have a fantastic festive season. Kind regards, Matt Harris

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-12-21 Thread Virginia Ingram
Title: Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Good Day! I will be out of the office December 21-22. If you require an immediate response during this time, please contact Steven Keith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 919-882-1972. Capstrat will be closed Friday, December 23 and M

Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Barrie North wrote: http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/ #headerbanner must be restyled so its width is reduced when the page-width is, for 'overflow: hidden' to work as intended. A set 'width: 717px;' will keep it at that width, no matter what. Too many conflicting styles and element-re

RE: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Ted Drake
I started to look at your CSS but got lost in all of the empty rules. I realize you are using a template css file, it would help to clean it up before seeking advice. Not a rant, just a suggestion.   I first thought that you might want to add a percentage based width to the image, but tha

Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Jay Gilmore
Barrie North wrote: Hi all,   I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can’t get the image to be “cropped” as the screen adjusts.   Here is the link:   http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/   If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I h

Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Bruce
In my banners/headers I almost always use background image...alternative is a % width. Or am I missing something/being dumb?   Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Barrie North To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:46

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Peter J. Farrell wrote: I think it's safe to assume "default" installation settings for most users -- everybody else are fringe cases. That would leave us with... how many million 'fringe cases'? -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion lis

Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread James O'Neill
I haven't looked at the code but overflow:hidden wil give you the effect you are looking for!On 12/21/05, Barrie North < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all,  I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be "cropped" as the screen adjusts.Here is the link:

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Peter J. Farrell
Thomas Livingston wrote: > If most users don't change a thing when they install a browser, or > change the one that came with their PC, then what's properly > configured mean? I think we should realize that most people don't know anything about configuring their browser and even their computer!

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Thomas Livingston wrote: Still talking browsers? ...on top of one of a multitude of OS and hardware-packages, I guess. So... (new) listers looking for help, might need to know what 'properly configured browser' is. If most users don't change a thing when they install a browser, or change

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Jay Gilmore
Felix Miata wrote: snip> In fact, most must have done at least some personalization, since most hit statistics that say the most common screen resolution is 1024x768 even though old versions of doze default to 640x480 and newer to 800x600, and signicant numbers are above the median. It migh

[WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Barrie North
Hi all,   I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can’t get the image to be “cropped” as the screen adjusts.   Here is the link:   http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/   If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I ca

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 21, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: properly configured By this you mean default install? Default install of what? X? Display? Fonts? Browser? OS? You said: On every properly configured standards-compliant browser,

Re: [WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Laura Carlson wrote: body { font-size: small; } Such a rule is saying, in effect, "the content on this page should be one size smaller than the user's comfortable reading size." Small font sizes for main body text is user-hostile. (The converse rarely seems to exist; it's unusual to find a si

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
Thomas Livingston wrote: > On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > > properly > > configured > By this you mean default install? Default install of what? X? Display? Fonts? Browser? OS? My experience with installers is they more often than not "finish" without announcing to the us

Re: [WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread James O'Neill
100.01% on body and then em's for the rest This prevents scaling issues with IE and older versions of Operahttp://www.freexenon.com/2005/10/css-fonts-and-font-sizing.html -- __"Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!"www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.a

[WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Laura Carlson
body { font-size: small; } Such a rule is saying, in effect, "the content on this page should be one size smaller than the user's comfortable reading size." Small font sizes for main body text is user-hostile. (The converse rarely seems to exist; it's unusual to find a site that is too big, a

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 20, 2005, at 11:24 PM, Ric Raftis wrote: underlying agression I've seen it. - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsg

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: properly configured By this you mean default install? - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See h

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
Lachlan Hunt wrote: > Felix Miata wrote: > > Lachlan Hunt wrote: > >> body { font-size: small; } > >> is generally acceptable and is approximately the same as 80% of the > > Definitely not acceptable to me for content paragraphs. :-( > Why not? Is it too big or too small for you? Or is it

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 21 Dec 2005, at 5:25 pm, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: body { font-size: small; } is generally acceptable and is approximately the same as 80% of the Definitely not acceptable to me for content paragraphs. :-( Why not? Is it too big or too small for you?

Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Felix Miata wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: body { font-size: small; } is generally acceptable and is approximately the same as 80% of the Definitely not acceptable to me for content paragraphs. :-( Why not? Is it too big or too small for you? Or is it just not precise enough? If you say i