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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh 


On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:28 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:


I'm almost certain that you need the positioning in that shorthand to
make it work:

background:url(some image) left top repeat-y;

or center center, or anything really.


No, you don't need.
With shorthand, properties that are not specified assume the default  
(in this case top left or 0 0)


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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Dwain Alford 

jake, this is what i wanted to do.  i looked back at an old site where i had
used a background image and all came out in the wash, so to speak.

http://www.mppsi.com/  works great at 800x600.

dwain

On 3/4/07, Jake Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey Dwain,
Do you want the paint stripe to repeat as the background for the whole
page? I tried background: url(../images/paint-stripe.png) repeat-y; on
body {} and it worked fine.

Hope this helps!

Jake

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On 05/03/2007, at 4:14 PM, Dwain Alford wrote:

i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.  according to
css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the following css the background
image is supposed to tile vertically:

background: url(some-image.png ) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on the
page, much less tile vertically.

the page is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/marbling-effects.html

css is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure this
one out and i've been at it all day.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com 
Hello Dwain,

Am I correct in assuming you want a "paintstripe" running down the side of 
your wrapper? If so, if that's what you're asking about, I would do the 
following

First get rid of this: 
And remove that entry from the style sheet. I can't see that it is needed 
for anything.

Then change the #wrapper in the style sheet to this:

#wrapper {
  background : #fff url(../images/paint-stripe.png) repeat-y;
  margin : 0 auto;
  width : 760px;
 }

That's all you need to do. It'll position itself snugly in the upper left 
and it'll repeat downward. If you want the image on the body, put that line 
there. If can be adjusted inward as well on the same line if you need it.

Hope this helps.

Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com/

PS. I would also add "background-color : #fff;" to the body element in your 
CSS.




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From: "Dwain Alford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "web standards group" 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [WSG] background won't repeat-y


i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.  according to
css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the following css the background
image is supposed to tile vertically:

background: url(some-image.png) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on the page,
much less tile vertically.

the page is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/marbling-effects.html

css is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure this one
out and i've been at it all day.

dwain

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p.o. box 145
winfield, alabama  35594
u.s.a.

tele:  205.487.2570
cell:  205.495.5619


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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Christian Montoya 

On 3/5/07, Dwain Alford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.  according to
css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the following css the background
image is supposed to tile vertically:

background: url(some-image.png ) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on the page,
much less tile vertically.

the page is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/marbling-effects.html

css is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

 like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure this one
out and i've been at it all day.


I'm almost certain that you need the positioning in that shorthand to
make it work:

background:url(some image) left top repeat-y;

or center center, or anything really.

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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Dwain Alford 

never mind, i figured it out.  thanks for being there.

dwain

On 3/4/07, Dwain Alford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.  according to
css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the following css the background
image is supposed to tile vertically:

background: url(some-image.png ) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on the
page, much less tile vertically.

the page is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/marbling-effects.html

css is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure this
one out and i've been at it all day.

dwain

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winfield, alabama  35594
u.s.a .

tele:  205.487.2570
cell:  205.495.5619
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Re: [WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Jake Tracey 

Hey Dwain,

Do you want the paint stripe to repeat as the background for the  
whole page? I tried background: url(../images/paint-stripe.png)  
repeat-y; on body {} and it worked fine.


Hope this helps!

Jake

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On 05/03/2007, at 4:14 PM, Dwain Alford wrote:

i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.   
according to css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the  
following css the background image is supposed to tile vertically:


background: url(some-image.png ) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on  
the page, much less tile vertically.


the page is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/ 
marbling-effects.html


css is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure  
this one out and i've been at it all day.


dwain

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p.o. box 145
winfield, alabama  35594
u.s.a .

tele:  205.487.2570
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[WSG] background won't repeat-y

2007-03-04 Thread Dwain Alford 

i have done this before, but i can't seem to get this going.  according to
css definitive guide 3rd edition if i use the following css the background
image is supposed to tile vertically:

background: url(some-image.png) repeat-y;

well, without a height and width on the image it doesn't appear on the page,
much less tile vertically.

the page is here:
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/marbling-effects.html

css is here:  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/mueller.css

like i said, i have made this work once before, but i can't figure this one
out and i've been at it all day.

dwain

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p.o. box 145
winfield, alabama  35594
u.s.a.

tele:  205.487.2570
cell:  205.495.5619


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Re: [WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread Michael Cordover 

I am the world's biggest fool.
Thankyou for saving me.

Regards,

Michael

On 3/5/07, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Michael Cordover wrote:
> There is a file: default.ie.css, linked from an IE conditional
> comment and contains exactly that rule already.

Well, I didn't use that - or any other - conditionally commented
stylesheet, and it all lined up just fine in IE/win.

_If_ I use default.ie.css, then the ul.menu and .content is overlapping
h1#banner, because you're using offsets with 'position: relative' and
margins.

What becomes apparent is that you are permanently serving IE/win a
cascade of styles from all 4 stylesheets, because you have established a
'rel="stylesheet"' instead of 'rel="alternate stylesheet"' for _all_ of
them in the conditional comments. Better check that.

Georg



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[WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit & IE

2007-03-04 Thread Chris Price 

I have built a standard form with a list of options using radio buttons.

The form is for internal use only but I still want to maintain standards 
and accessibility.


To improve the look of it for the client I have added some javascript 
which hides the buttons and uses onclick events on the labels so that 
the submit button doesn't need to be clicked.


This works fine on Firefox but does not work on IE with javascript enabled.

I did a search and found that there may be a conflict where there is a 
document.submit and a submit button in the html.


I tried removing the submit button using the DOM but that has no effect.

I was rather pleased to get this working on Firefox as its my first 
attempt at completely separating scripting and html.


Can anyone shed any light on this?

See code below.

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   var inputs,i;
   if (document.library_form) {
   inputs=document.getElementsByTagName('input')
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Re: [WSG] tabindex and accesskey

2007-03-04 Thread Designer 

David Dorward wrote:



I've never heard of it, and a quick Google doesn't help.




Thanks David, that was what I thought the consensus was!

In respect of the WAI I referred to, see: Cynthia at 
www.contentquality.com - it's the one which is used when you use the 
Firefox developer toolbar and select 'validate WAI'.


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Re: [WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 

Michael Cordover wrote:

There is a file: default.ie.css, linked from an IE conditional
comment and contains exactly that rule already.


Well, I didn't use that - or any other - conditionally commented
stylesheet, and it all lined up just fine in IE/win.

_If_ I use default.ie.css, then the ul.menu and .content is overlapping
h1#banner, because you're using offsets with 'position: relative' and
margins.

What becomes apparent is that you are permanently serving IE/win a
cascade of styles from all 4 stylesheets, because you have established a
'rel="stylesheet"' instead of 'rel="alternate stylesheet"' for _all_ of
them in the conditional comments. Better check that.

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Re: [WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread ~davidLaakso 

Michael Cordover wrote:

There is a file: default.ie.css, linked from an IE conditional comment
and contains exactly that rule already.

Further suggestions?



"The requested URL /default.ie.css was not found on this server"






Michael





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Re: [WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread Michael Cordover 

There is a file: default.ie.css, linked from an IE conditional comment
and contains exactly that rule already.

Further suggestions?

Thanks,

Michael

On 3/4/07, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Michael Cordover wrote:
> I've got a page at http://youth.afairerworld.org/ which comes up with
>  a 4em space above the div.content despite me doing everything
> imaginable to get rid of it.

Not sure since I didn't bother to deconstruct everything, but a copy
shows that the margin on h1#banner is present and is just being covered
up by those IE corrections.

The addition of...

h1#banner {margin: 0;}

...seems to be all that's needed.


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Re: [WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun 

Michael Cordover wrote:

I've got a page at http://youth.afairerworld.org/ which comes up with
 a 4em space above the div.content despite me doing everything 
imaginable to get rid of it.


Not sure since I didn't bother to deconstruct everything, but a copy
shows that the margin on h1#banner is present and is just being covered
up by those IE corrections.

The addition of...

h1#banner {margin: 0;}

...seems to be all that's needed.

regards
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[WSG] MSIE causing trouble

2007-03-04 Thread Michael Cordover 

Hi guys,

I've got a page at http://youth.afairerworld.org/ which comes up with
a 4em space above the div.content despite me doing everything
imaginable to get rid of it. IE Web Dev Toolbar shows a 4em margin-top
in the DOM Explorer, despite me not putting that in anywhere.

Any assistance would be massively appreciated - I'm stuck.

Thanks,

Michael Cordover

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Re: [WSG] It's times like this you remember how far you've come

2007-03-04 Thread Kay Smoljak 

On 3/4/07, Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You should be approaching your client and explaining that you have some
problems with the markup thats been supplied to you and its going to
take longer than you anticipated, because you had assumed that the
other contractor would be supplying professional work.


Hey Mike - it's annoying when things like this happen. I've had
similar things happen in the past and I usually tell the client that
the other company's work is sub-standard, but also say that they
should take it back to the other company and ask for a new version
that is:

a) W3C standards-compliant
b) bandwidth-efficient
c) in line with current best practices

This does two things: it tells the client you're not just bad-mouthing
the other company to try and get the work yourself, and also spreads
the word to the other company that it's time to stop partying like
it's 1999.

Whatever you decide to do, you should definitely NOT be recoding their
work without being paid for it.

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