Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Some clients do not want [required on the end of each label], they
think it pollutes the visual.
Understandable - most people buy a design from a visual - not
actually using the product they are commissioning. This is a great
way to bring usability into the
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
While I agree that use of lists, tables or definition lists is mere
abuse, a fieldset is for grouping thematically related controls and
labels:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#edef-FIELDSET
So a hypothetical (semantic!) form could/should look something
On 27/05/2007, at 7:58 PM, Katrina wrote:
My point being that fieldset could be used to wrap label and input
pairs?
No. fieldset is to group related controls, not labels and controls.
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Terrence Wood wrote:
On 27/05/2007, at 7:58 PM, Katrina wrote:
My point being that fieldset could be used to wrap label and input pairs?
No. fieldset is to group related controls, not labels and controls.
From http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.10
The FIELDSET
The label associates the label-text with the input, i.e. their
realtionship is already firmly established and needs no other
confirmation.
The fieldset is to group together multiple inputs: to add stucture in long
complex forms.
Moreover, if multiple inputs are expected (since this is what the
Katrina wrote:
I note that in Mike's example, he using
a br / in order to achieve a block-level
style visual. Surely that should be avoidable?
http://green-beast.com/gbcf/gbcf_form.php
Certainly it would be avoidable using label { display : block; } but I
wanted the form to retain its
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Some clients do not want [required on the end of each label], they
think it pollutes the visual.
I'm sure the origin of the asterisk to indicate required fields was
literally that of a footnote:
Name:*
Email:*
*
Paul Novitski wrote:
As Thierry indicates, the original rationale behind
this structure was undoubtedly simply to avoid
cluttering a form occupying limited real estate
with the word 'required' beside every required field.
That's why I like my technique of using fieldsets to group the
On Behalf Of Paul Novitski
All this makes me try to come up with a way to present the asterisks
as footnote indicators visually but not aurally. One could present
the asterisks as background images on the abbrev elements, but as
such they wouldn't scale. If they were scalable foreground
At 5/27/2007 11:41 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I like Mike's use of the legend element, but the problem I see with that
approach is that Required Contact Info is read before every single
label...
What if it were simply the word required?
pEnter your contact information:/p
On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller
The problem would then be how to mark this up:
* Required fields
As plain text it would make sense to the visual users as the referent
for the asterisks but would seem a bit nonsensical to listeners.
Perhaps, leave the asterisk as an asterisk
24 maj 2007 kl. 01.22 skrev Douglas Reith:
Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site
designs in? (Photoshop?)
Hi Douglas,
I've just scanned this thread and agree about Photoshop, Fireworks
(which is very handy when creating designed flows by the help of the
Paul Novitski wrote:
What if it were simply the word required?
pEnter your contact information:/p
fieldset
legendRequired:/legend
label for=nameName:br /
input type=text id=name name=name value= /
/label
On 2007/05/25 17:47 (GMT-0400) Philip Kiff apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
What matters is:
[...]
5-that any deviation a designer makes from 100% is
arbitrary, as it's made from an entirely unknown starting point
100% of the visitor's choice equals respect for the visitor.
I'm not
Felix Miata wrote:
Because no designer knows the real world starting point outside his local
world, any deviation from 100% is inherently arbitrary.
OTOH, the 100% Easy-2-Read Standard is a standard worthy of embracing to
the fullest. http://www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r?v=4
Though I
On 2007/05/27 23:33 (GMT+0100) Patrick H. Lauke apparently typed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Because no designer knows the real world starting point outside his local
world, any deviation from 100% is inherently arbitrary.
OTOH, the 100% Easy-2-Read Standard is a standard worthy of embracing to
On 2007/05/25 17:54 (GMT-0700) Paul Novitski apparently typed:
At 5/25/2007 03:10 PM, Christian Montoya wrote:
not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that... just do the
math starting off from
Paul Novitski wrote:
fieldset
legendRequired:/legend
label for=nameName:br /
input type=text id=name name=name
value= /
/label
...
That would vocalize required name, required email address,
Mordechai Peller wrote:
Interesting; but what if you need (as is commonly
the case) non-required fields interspersed with
required ones?
Optional I suppose. Just group them accordingly using the technique.
fieldset
legendOptional:/legend
labelPhone
input [...] /
/label
On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller
Instead of using a legend, how's about:
label.required span {
position : absolute;
left : -px;
}
label class=requiredspanRequired/span...
This has been suggested already, but I don't think it's as clean as using
legend.
As a side note, I don't
But sometimes at least one phone number might be required but others are
optional (e.g. mobile, home, fax etc) - doesn't seem as logical to split
your phone number fields up into different groupings.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 10:26:31 +1000, Mike at Green-Beast.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi James
Got any example URL's? Maybe you need to place a background colour on the em
? fieldsets and legends are notoriously difficult to present with CSS - they
seem to have non-overrideable styles that are put in place by the
OS/Browser. Like where the legend is placed...
Cheers
James
On
G'day all,
I've decided to make the jump from full time web development to
freelance work. Mostly front end development, (X)HTML/CSS/JavaScript
development etc.
Anyway, to support myself, I've created a portfolio here:
www.richardson.co.nz
I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything
Hi.
doing certificate iv in web site development at my local college.
now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and 3 d
objects.
now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws?
also, need to use flash, to create 2 and 3 d buttons, objects, etc.
is there an
Looks good. Only comment I'd make is about your skills and their ratings:
at the moment that information is only really of value to people already
in the web dev game and not really useful to anyone who doesn't know
anything about web development but who wants a website done. If you're not
John Faulds wrote:
But sometimes at least one phone number might
be required but others are optional (e.g. mobile,
home, fax etc) - doesn't seem as logical to split
your phone number fields up into different
groupings.
Great point, John. That's a conundrum for sure. And it will happen, the
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
A likely candidate might be putting the word in the in the label.
which will bring us back to doe. doe a deer, a female deer [from the
sound of music]...
I said:
How about just including (required) on the end of each label,
Then, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
I hate to make a quick reply to a long post, but not all designers set
body font size to 62.5% when creating websites. It's enough to start
at 100% and set nested containers to fractions of that... just do the
math starting off from 16px. The point that Felix is making
Samuel Richardson wrote:
G'day all,
I've decided to make the jump from full time web development to
freelance work. Mostly front end development, (X)HTML/CSS/JavaScript
development etc.
Anyway, to support myself, I've created a portfolio here:
www.richardson.co.nz
I just want to make sure I
risk of going OT but I would like to ask you why did you choose a one page
info page with anchor links going down to the content???
I thought multi pages would be the way to go
apart from this I do not really have any problems with it, the menu is a bit
small though
Thanks and sorry
On
Terrence Wood wrote:
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
A likely candidate might be putting the
word in the in the label.
which will bring us back to doe. doe a deer,
a female deer [from the sound of music]...
I said:
How about just including (required) on the
end of each label,
Then,
On 28 May 2007, at 03:42:55, Terrence Wood wrote:
Then, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Some clients do not want this at all, they think it pollutes the
visual.
That's the trouble with this job: clients who won't listen to
professional advice. It makes me wonder what they think they're
paying
Hi Sam,
It looks great but there are lots of grammar errors. I also noticed that
in your CV you seem to be missing employment details on your current
position?
When I scrolled down to where you have rated your skills there is a
scrollbar thing happening that looks ugly and obscures some of
Cool, thanks for the comments. It sounds like I still have a few cross
browser issues to work out, lucky I just bought a Mac :D
The portfolio is strictly for design agencies to get an idea of what I
can do rather then the public. I went with a one page design to get
the content across quickly, I
At 5/27/2007 07:44 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote:
The practice of setting body font size to 62.5% has some very
interesting assumptions built in. Any style sheet designed using
this supposition would be inappropriate for a fully internationalised site.
Please elaborate on this point. Is your
Paul Novitski wrote:
At 5/27/2007 07:44 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote:
The practice of setting body font size to 62.5% has some very
interesting assumptions built in. Any style sheet designed using this
supposition would be inappropriate for a fully internationalised site.
Please elaborate on
Hi Samuel:
Good work dude ;)
The site looks neat, cool and usable.
Still I have a couple of suggestions:
1) To make the headings bigger
2) Maybe provide with a simple form to get in touch with you
3) N i think copy needs to be reviewed
otherwise looks awesome, have a look at mine to !
Best
I dont find anything wrong is displaying all the content on one page.
The main concern is to provide the content and information required with
minimum clicks and in the most efficient manner, n thats the latest trend mate !
thats what i did with my website, have a look www.puneetsakhuja.com
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