Re: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Denis Arkhipov]

Sorry, but i think you must google it by yourself.
Your question is not in subject of that subscribe.
btw lurk for files cid in e-mail attachment.


> Hi...

> anybody can tell me.. how to use background images  in html emails.
> I have a div with background image and text above that... the
> background image is not displaying :-(

> help help
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[WSG] my apologies

[dwain]

i apologize to the group for the telecommunications post.  i thought that i
saw my congressional senator's address in the to: space.
humbly apologetic,
dwain

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[WSG] your telecommunications response

[dwain]

W. DWAIN ALFORD
P.O. BOX 145
WINFIELD, AL 35594
TELEPHONE: 205.487.2570
March 20, 2008



Dear Senator Shelby,

Thank you for your response with regard to my concerns of immunity for
telecommunications firms. I understand your point, but I firmly disagree
with your logic. There are laws in this country that protect my civil rights
and my right to privacy. Mr. Bush and those that agree with him are showing
me and many other Americans like me that he and you have a total disregard
for the law of the land in this matter.

If you want to wiretap terrorist suspects, then you need to do it according
to our nation's laws; go to court and get a warrant. I don't like to think
that my phone has been tapped and without my knowledge my calls have been
monitored. In fact just the thought of it makes me extremely angry and even
more distrustful of my government leaders than I already feel.

The telecommunications firms should have told you to get a warrant and since
they didn't they deserve whatever they get. I don't think that your
assumption that they would be unlikely to help in the future is correct. I
think that by being sued and losing they will tell the government to get a
warrant or a subpoena if that is necessary to obtain the information the
government seeks. That's what I would tell you if I were a CEO of a
telecommunications firm that had been sued.

A judge would be glad to issue the proper warrant(s) for the NSA to do their
job on a case by case, individual by individual basis. I don't think that
that is asking too much for our government to abide by it's own laws. If the
government has suspects then they need to go after those suspects, not issue
an illegal blanket wiretap on all Americans. That is outrageous and wrong,
by law.

Mr. Bush thinks that he is above the law. He has flagrantly violated the
Constitution of this country and has flaunted his authority in the face of
the American people and Congress has not shown the intestinal fortitude to
rein the maniac in. Just by his actions of flying the Bin Ladens, who were
living here on September 11, 2001, out of the country was an act of treason.
What he did was to aid and abet the enemy, or have you forgotten that it was
Saudi's that flew those planes that day? Are you also aware that in Saudi
Arabia that their Quranic teachings say that the Americans are the Infidel
and must be destroyed? And Mr. Bush just gave them several billions of
dollars in aid this year. Again aiding and abetting the enemy.  And there
are many more acts of treason that he has committed.

When will you and Congress act and prosecute this man for treason against
the United States of America? I'm not the only one that feels this way. It
looks like he will get away with his crimes against the people of this
country and get a pension with Secret Service protection for life to boot,
all paid for by American tax dollars. He'll walk away clean and laugh about
how he almost brought down the American way of life, got away with violating
the Constitution and had Congress cowering, not doing anything about it.

Spineless, every one of you who are doing nothing to protect your
constituents from a mad man.

Spineless, each and every one of you who are towing party lines and allowing
this man to continue to disregard the laws of the land and violate the
Constitution of the United States.

He disrespects every American, those who have served this country and causes
every American serviceman and servicewoman who have lost their lives in Iraq
and Afghanistan to have died in vain, with his law breaking actions.

I am hoping for a better change in 2009.  I am hoping for a Congress that
will undo everything that Mr. Bush has done in his eight years in office
that discredited and disgraced this country in the face of the world.

Regards,
Dwain Alford

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dwain alford
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for his inner impulse must find suitable expression."  Kandinsky


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Re: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Jermayn Parker]

im no expert in html emails but of the ones i do get how many actually use background images? 
 
I do not think html emails actually should use background images.
 
>>> "Naveen Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20/03/2008 3:11:48 pm >>>
Structure is fine... but I am worried about the background images since the text is localized I cant use an image with text . I have to use background image and text about that...any solution?regardsnavii
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in regards to html emails..
use tables for structure.
 
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Re: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Naveen Bhaskar]

Structure is fine... but I am worried about the background images since
the text is localized I cant use an image with text . I have to use
background image and text about that...

any solution?


regards
navii

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>  in regards to html emails..
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> I have a div with background image and text above that... the
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RE: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Anat Katz]

and don't use background image, some email browsers won't render it.
 

Kind Regards, 
Anat Katz 

Analyst Programmer
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in regards to html emails..
use tables for structure.
 


>>> "Naveen Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20/03/2008 2:53:11 pm >>>


Hi...

anybody can tell me.. how to use background images  in html emails.
I have a div with background image and text above that... the background 
image is not displaying :-(

help help
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Re: [WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Jermayn Parker]

in regards to html emails..
use tables for structure.
 
>>> "Naveen Bhaskar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20/03/2008 2:53:11 pm >>>
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[WSG] background images in HTML emails..

[Naveen Bhaskar]

Hi...

anybody can tell me.. how to use background images  in html emails.
I have a div with background image and text above that... the background
image is not displaying :-(

help help
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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[James Ellis]

Hi 
The validator is doing the right thing in flagging these rules as either not 
existing or at another version of CSS. Usage of -vendor-specific-css in this 
manner is also perfectly fine when you want to target a feature that has been 
introduced into a rendering engine but has not yet been finalised.

Generally, you will find that this vendor specific stuff is the vendor's 
intepretation of the spec, so don't expect -webkit-border-radius to do the 
same thing as -moz-border-radius or even the w3c border-radius, especially 
for more complex rounded corners involving ellipses.

As an aside, Opera 9.5 while not supporting border-radius will have some nifty 
SVG background mojo that will allow you to do similar stuff:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/new-development-techniques-using-opera-k/

Cheers
James

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:56:29 am cto wrote:
> Hi Lars,
>
> I ran the css validator on the page you linked to. It shows a number
> of errors. The specific comments of concern are:
>
> Property -moz-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
> Property -webkit-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
> Property border-radius doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 but exists in
> [css3] :  15px
>
> No ideas to offer, but it's a start.
>
> I confirm that Safari 3.1 does not show rounded corners, while FF did.
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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[tee]

Hi Lars

I thought fieldset (with legend) are used only for form elements, I am  
curious why you would used it in your right column's content.



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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[Keryx Web]

Rahul Gonsalves skrev:

On a test file [1], Safari 3.1 styles  with rounded borders 
very happily. Perhaps there's something else at play here?


I think I've reduced the problem. There are no rounded corners when the 
fieldset has got a legend element. In my Safari this testcase shows the 
problem.





  Testing why Webkit does not render rounded corners


  Testing why Webkit does not render rounded corners
  
  There really should be rounded corners on this 
fieldset!




  This is another fieldset with no legend. It has rounded 
corners.





I also found the bug: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12425


Lars Gunther


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[WSG] Webstock recordings now available

[Mike Brown]

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Enjoy!

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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[Rahul Gonsalves]

On 19-Mar-08, at 11:26 PM, cto wrote:

I ran the css validator on the page you linked to. It shows a number  
of errors. The specific comments of concern are:


Property -moz-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
Property -webkit-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
Property border-radius doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 but exists in  
[css3] :  15px


According to both the CSS 2.1 and the CSS 3 pages, vendor specific  
extensions were _built_ to use an invalid start character (the dash  
"-"). This was to avoid vendor specific extensions 'clashing' with  
future 'official' names/properties. As a result, the use of any vendor- 
specific extensions will cause a CSS validator to flag them as errors.


Best,
 - Rahul.

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#vendor-keywords
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-syntax/#vendor-specific


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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Hi Lars,

On 19-Mar-08, at 10:39 PM, Keryx Web wrote:

I.e. I added support for webkit and any future browser that might  
implement CSS 3 rounded corners.


However Safari 3.1 fails at showing any rounded corners at http://keryx.se/


On a test file [1], Safari 3.1 styles  with rounded borders  
very happily. Perhaps there's something else at play here?


As an aside, using Firebug, I was unable to see the vendor specific  
rule '-webkit-border-radius'. I assume that a browser, and tools  
within a browser based on Gecko will not display webkit-specific rules?


Best,
 - Rahul.

[1] http://rahulgonsalves.com/css-d/safari-test.html


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Re: [WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[cto]

Hi Lars,

I ran the css validator on the page you linked to. It shows a number  
of errors. The specific comments of concern are:


Property -moz-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
Property -webkit-border-radius doesn't exist :  15px
Property border-radius doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 but exists in  
[css3] :  15px


No ideas to offer, but it's a start.

I confirm that Safari 3.1 does not show rounded corners, while FF did.

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On Mar 19, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Keryx Web wrote:

Now that safari 3.1 is out I was reminded of something I had  
intended to do for a long time. I took this:


fieldset.inforuta {
   padding: 20px;
   font-size: 90%;
-moz-border-radius: 15px;
}

And turned it into this:

fieldset.inforuta {
   padding: 20px;
   font-size: 90%;
-moz-border-radius: 15px;
-webkit-border-radius: 15px;
border-radius: 15px;
}

I.e. I added support for webkit and any future browser that might  
implement CSS 3 rounded corners.


However Safari 3.1 fails at showing any rounded corners at http://keryx.se/

It should be in the two fieldsets in the right column. Anyone who  
has a clue why? I have tested this on both Safari 3.1 on Win XP and  
Mac. FFox handles the code as both in 2.0.12 and the nightly build  
from yesterday.


I do send my page as application/xhtm+xml to browsers that claim to  
support that MIME-type (mostly for pedagogic reasons, but that's  
another story). Could this be the cause?



Lars Gunther


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[WSG] Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

[Keryx Web]

Now that safari 3.1 is out I was reminded of something I had intended to 
do for a long time. I took this:


fieldset.inforuta {
padding: 20px;
font-size: 90%;
 -moz-border-radius: 15px;
}

And turned it into this:

fieldset.inforuta {
padding: 20px;
font-size: 90%;
 -moz-border-radius: 15px;
 -webkit-border-radius: 15px;
 border-radius: 15px;
}

I.e. I added support for webkit and any future browser that might 
implement CSS 3 rounded corners.


However Safari 3.1 fails at showing any rounded corners at http://keryx.se/

It should be in the two fieldsets in the right column. Anyone who has a 
clue why? I have tested this on both Safari 3.1 on Win XP and Mac. FFox 
handles the code as both in 2.0.12 and the nightly build from yesterday.


I do send my page as application/xhtm+xml to browsers that claim to 
support that MIME-type (mostly for pedagogic reasons, but that's another 
story). Could this be the cause?



Lars Gunther


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Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

[Anders Nawroth]

Spolsky:

"Enough ugly hacks. 8 billion existing web pages be damned."


If I got this right, only around 10 % of web pages are rendered in 
standards mode , and will be affected 
by the changed behaviour in IE 8. Still a lot of pages, of course.


Pages done long time ago or created by amateurs probably are rendered in 
quirks mode and will be so in IE 8 too, not in "best standards mode".


Is this so, or did I miss something on this topic?

/andersN


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RE: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

[michael.brockington]

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>"In the real world where people are imperfect, you can't have 
>a standard with just a spec-you must have a super-strict 
>reference implementation, and everybody has to test against 
>the reference implementation."
>
>Reference implementation for content marked up in HTML is the 
>W3C validator...again, confused about CSS/DOM?
>

I think you are both getting confused here - a reference implementation
of HTML is an actual HTML page. The validator is useful, but since it
has no direct link to the spec, it is technically no better than any of
the browsers. 
Compare with Tomcat, which is the reference implementation of the
servlet engine spec, and allows you to test servlets.  What is needed
here is actually a browser specification, and consequently a browser
reference implementation, against which it is possible to test HTML /
CSS / DOM 
Clearly this is a massive task though, and requires a major effort,
whether or not it is based on an existing browser.
Compare also with XML, where the DTD is the specification of validity.
The DTD can (on occasion) be read by software, and contains (almost) no
ambiguity. (I'm not advocating XHTML here, by the way, as it stands
right now - I think it was a missed, but certainly a failed,
opportunity.)



>"Enough ugly hacks. 8 billion existing web pages be damned."
>
>The fact that those 8 billion pages actually work fine in all 
>other browsers, who all seem to have managed to agree on an 
>interpretation of CSS/DOM by working together, ironing out 
>test cases, etc, doesn't matter? Are MS joining the party?


Excuse me, but exactly how many of those 8 billion pages do you reckon
work correctly at the moment? In _all_ browsers released this century?
Including assistive technology?
(I am sure I must be mis-understanding your point here - so could you
please elaborate?)

Regards,
Mike


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the soundtrack was Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[kevin mcmonagle]

hi,
thanks for the reply but im going go with the a controllable music 
player that ill do up in flash.
The main problem was that he wanted a continuous song going on the site 
which would have been impossible without frames. But as some members 
suggested a controllable player is much more standards compliant. Plus I 
can sell him on giving the users choice of hearing the different djs 
that play at the club.

thanks
-kevin



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