Re: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites

[Andrew Boyd]

Hi Elizabeth,

true, there has only been one successful litigation action.

The people behind a certain Grocery site might be getting a little nervous
at the moment :)

What worries me is that there are many larger government sites in Australia
that are a lot less accessible than that one... I wonder how long it will
take for this particular dagger to fall? I have no doubt that fall it will -
a question of when not if.

Cheers, Andrew

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Elizabeth Spiegel <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Tee
>
> In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination
> legislation,
> although there has only been one successful suit to date.  Bruce Maguire
> was
> awarded damages of $20,000 against SOCOG in 2000: full details here:
>
> http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/decisions/comdec/2000/DD000120.htm
>
>
> Note that the target was not by any measure a 'small business'.  HREOC
> provides advisory notes
> http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html
>
>
> Elizabeth Spiegel
> Web editing
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> 0409 986 158
> GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001
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>
>
> Under British law, can individual who brings a case under the DDA and
> the lawyer seek monetary compensation?
> Couple months  ago a handful of ADA lawsuits handled by a same lawyer.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTL&h
> w=disability+lawsuit&sn=001&sc=1000
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> If lawyer and plaintiff can seek monetary compensation, I honestly
> hope no ADA/DDA law ever applies to website.
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RE: [WSG] Lawsuits for inaccessible websites

[Elizabeth Spiegel]

Hi Tee

In Australia, websites are covered by Disability Discrimination legislation,
although there has only been one successful suit to date.  Bruce Maguire was
awarded damages of $20,000 against SOCOG in 2000: full details here:
http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/decisions/comdec/2000/DD000120.htm


Note that the target was not by any measure a 'small business'.  HREOC
provides advisory notes
http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html 


Elizabeth Spiegel
Web editing

0409 986 158
GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001
www.spiegelweb.com.au 



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Under British law, can individual who brings a case under the DDA and  
the lawyer seek monetary compensation?
Couple months  ago a handful of ADA lawsuits handled by a same lawyer.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTL&h
w=disability+lawsuit&sn=001&sc=1000

If lawyer and plaintiff can seek monetary compensation, I honestly  
hope no ADA/DDA law ever applies to website.

tee
  


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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Brian Cummiskey]

Nancy Johnson wrote:

If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it immediately without
looking at the site.  I don't know best practices, but I believe the
user needs to be in control.

same here.

what's even worse is if there's no volume/pause button CLEARLY visible 
on the page to quickly shut it off.



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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[kate]

Love it lolol

Its my era of course
Kate
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IMHO, an unacceptable autoplay web site:

**  AutoPlay Loud Music Warning!  Turn DOWN your speakers! **

http://www.daveclarkfive.com

**  AutoPlay Loud Music Warning!  Turn DOWN your speakers! **





Dennis




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RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Dennis Lapcewich]

IMHO, an unacceptable autoplay web site:

**  AutoPlay Loud Music Warning!  Turn DOWN your speakers! **

http://www.daveclarkfive.com

**  AutoPlay Loud Music Warning!  Turn DOWN your speakers! **





Dennis




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RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[James Leslie]

Thanks for all the responses. The majority seem to pretty much agree
with my view that it would be better to have the user initiate the
music. The player I'm planning on using does have very clear controls
for playback and volume, so if the client does *insist* on auto-playback
I will definitely bear in mind setting the initial volume lower.
 
I often leave pages with autoplay straight away too 


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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[kate]

Auto start false then let the audience choose if to play or not.
Kate
http://jungaling.com/Malaysia/
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  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:16 PM
  Subject: RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music


  On a more positive note - you could point out that having an embedded player 
would allow the band to offer the user a choice of music, which would be a 
better option than alienating many users. (Offering a client a 'better option' 
usually goes down a lot better than 'don't do that!')

  From an accessibility angle, it shouldn't be too hard to see that those 
people who are going to be most affected by this, ie those using a screen 
reader on top of a normal browser, are likely to be those least able to deal 
with turning if off, whatever the mechanism. As others have said, the easiest 
option for most users is to kill the browser/window/tab.

  Mike




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schmarsow
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Hi,

same here - I personally hate autoplay on site, I'm gone in a sec
I also think this does affect anyone - personal preference or not - people 
can be caught out by this, in office environments (as mentioned before) as well 
as impaired users

And though a band site might warrant the autoplay - I'd still try to allow 
site visitor's to be in control of whether or not to listen to the music. As 
the site is about music - a clearly visible player is likely to be included 
anyway, allowing easy access to the band's tracks.

Not sure what the guidelines say on this - but when I teach best practices 
for webdesign I advise my students to always give the user the control and not 
bombard them with anything they might not expect.

Just my thoughts...
Prisca



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Nancy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it immediately without
  looking at the site.  I don't know best practices, but I believe the
  user needs to be in control.


  On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > Good morning James,
  >
  > If it helps, what you will find is the typical user experience on band
  > websites is that the audio player automatically starts within 2-3 
seconds of
  > the site fully loading.  The file size of the player and the audio file 
are
  > both small so the site isn't slow when being viewed on the user's end.
  >
  > An important thing to keep in mind that the user always needs to have 
the
  > option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause the music.  If that 
is
  > not a feature the user will get annoyed and could potentially leave the 
site
  > just as quickly as they got there!
  >
  >
  > I hope this helps and have a great day!
  >
  > 
  > Nicholas Taylor
  > Web Strategy & Systems Manager
  > Purdue University
  > South Campus Courts, Building D
  > 507 Harrison Street
  > West Lafayette, IN 47907
  > (765) 496-6864 office
  > (765) 494-0793 fax
  > (616) 634-9193 mobile
  >
  >
  >

  > On 8/15/08 10:14 AM, "James Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  >
  > This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I
  > *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if 
you
  > feel that is more appropriate.
  >
  > I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage 
loading a
  > music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable 
for a
  > bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to
  > initiate playback?
  >
  > Thanks
  >
  > James
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RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[michael.brockington]

On a more positive note - you could point out that having an embedded
player would allow the band to offer the user a choice of music, which
would be a better option than alienating many users. (Offering a client
a 'better option' usually goes down a lot better than 'don't do that!')
 
>From an accessibility angle, it shouldn't be too hard to see that those
people who are going to be most affected by this, ie those using a
screen reader on top of a normal browser, are likely to be those least
able to deal with turning if off, whatever the mechanism. As others have
said, the easiest option for most users is to kill the
browser/window/tab.
 
Mike




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Hi,

same here - I personally hate autoplay on site, I'm gone in a
sec
I also think this does affect anyone - personal preference or
not - people can be caught out by this, in office environments (as
mentioned before) as well as impaired users

And though a band site might warrant the autoplay - I'd still
try to allow site visitor's to be in control of whether or not to listen
to the music. As the site is about music - a clearly visible player is
likely to be included anyway, allowing easy access to the band's tracks.

Not sure what the guidelines say on this - but when I teach best
practices for webdesign I advise my students to always give the user the
control and not bombard them with anything they might not expect.

Just my thoughts...
Prisca



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Nancy Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it
immediately without
looking at the site.  I don't know best practices, but I
believe the
user needs to be in control.


On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good morning James,
>
> If it helps, what you will find is the typical user
experience on band
> websites is that the audio player automatically starts
within 2-3 seconds of
> the site fully loading.  The file size of the player
and the audio file are
> both small so the site isn't slow when being viewed on
the user's end.
>
> An important thing to keep in mind that the user
always needs to have the
> option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause
the music.  If that is
> not a feature the user will get annoyed and could
potentially leave the site
> just as quickly as they got there!
>
>
> I hope this helps and have a great day!
>
> 
> Nicholas Taylor
> Web Strategy & Systems Manager
> Purdue University
> South Campus Courts, Building D
> 507 Harrison Street
> West Lafayette, IN 47907
> (765) 496-6864 office
> (765) 494-0793 fax
> (616) 634-9193 mobile
>
>
>

> On 8/15/08 10:14 AM, "James Leslie"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This is a more best practices question than strictly
standards, but I
> *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please
mail me off-list if you
> feel that is more appropriate.
>
> I have a band for a client who are requesting that on
the homepage loading a
> music player starts automatically. Do people think
this is acceptable for a
> bands website or would you think that you should
always get the user to
> initiate playback?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
>
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Prisca schmarsow]

Hi,

same here - I personally hate autoplay on site, I'm gone in a sec
I also think this does affect anyone - personal preference or not - people
can be caught out by this, in office environments (as mentioned before) as
well as impaired users

And though a band site might warrant the autoplay - I'd still try to allow
site visitor's to be in control of whether or not to listen to the music. As
the site is about music - a clearly visible player is likely to be included
anyway, allowing easy access to the band's tracks.

Not sure what the guidelines say on this - but when I teach best practices
for webdesign I advise my students to always give the user the control and
not bombard them with anything they might not expect.

Just my thoughts...
Prisca


On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Nancy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it immediately without
> looking at the site.  I don't know best practices, but I believe the
> user needs to be in control.
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Good morning James,
> >
> > If it helps, what you will find is the typical user experience on band
> > websites is that the audio player automatically starts within 2-3 seconds
> of
> > the site fully loading.  The file size of the player and the audio file
> are
> > both small so the site isn't slow when being viewed on the user's end.
> >
> > An important thing to keep in mind that the user always needs to have the
> > option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause the music.  If that
> is
> > not a feature the user will get annoyed and could potentially leave the
> site
> > just as quickly as they got there!
> >
> >
> > I hope this helps and have a great day!
> >
> > 
> > Nicholas Taylor
> > Web Strategy & Systems Manager
> > Purdue University
> > South Campus Courts, Building D
> > 507 Harrison Street
> > West Lafayette, IN 47907
> > (765) 496-6864 office
> > (765) 494-0793 fax
> > (616) 634-9193 mobile
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/08 10:14 AM, "James Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I
> > *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if
> you
> > feel that is more appropriate.
> >
> > I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage
> loading a
> > music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for
> a
> > bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to
> > initiate playback?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > James
> >
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Nancy Johnson]

If I come to a site with music playing, I leave it immediately without
looking at the site.  I don't know best practices, but I believe the
user needs to be in control.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nick Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good morning James,
>
> If it helps, what you will find is the typical user experience on band
> websites is that the audio player automatically starts within 2-3 seconds of
> the site fully loading.  The file size of the player and the audio file are
> both small so the site isn't slow when being viewed on the user's end.
>
> An important thing to keep in mind that the user always needs to have the
> option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause the music.  If that is
> not a feature the user will get annoyed and could potentially leave the site
> just as quickly as they got there!
>
>
> I hope this helps and have a great day!
>
> 
> Nicholas Taylor
> Web Strategy & Systems Manager
> Purdue University
> South Campus Courts, Building D
> 507 Harrison Street
> West Lafayette, IN 47907
> (765) 496-6864 office
> (765) 494-0793 fax
> (616) 634-9193 mobile
>
>
>
> On 8/15/08 10:14 AM, "James Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I
> *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if you
> feel that is more appropriate.
>
> I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading a
> music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for a
> bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to
> initiate playback?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
>
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Gonzalo González Mora]

I think it shouldn't automatically play the songs, it's really annoying from
my point of view, specially when the volume is set to 100%. If you really
need to play the songs automatically, I would suggest setting the volume to
50% or somewhere near that value. You should make the player visible so that
you can stop it as soon as you reach the page.

Gonzalo

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM, James Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I
> *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if you
> feel that is more appropriate.
>
> I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading
> a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable
> for a bands website or would you think that you should always get the user
> to initiate playback?
>
> Thanks
>
> James
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Jason Pruim]

On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:14 AM, James Leslie wrote:


Hi,

This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but  
I *think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off- 
list if you feel that is more appropriate.


I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage  
loading a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is  
acceptable for a bands website or would you think that you should  
always get the user to initiate playback?




For me it would depend... If it's a classical orchestra and I open it  
in my office, I won't get in trouble.. BUT if it's a death metal group  
playing one of their hardest songs, I would get into a little bit of  
trouble at my office.


If you do have it start automatically, I would make sure that it's  
very obvious/easy to stop it as quickly as possible.


Also... I don't know how it would effect screen readers? I don't know  
much about them, but don't they basically just run on top of your  
browser? For a non-sighted user having music "randomly" start playing  
could be a very bad thing...


Just my 2¢


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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Nick Taylor]

Good morning James,

If it helps, what you will find is the typical user experience on band
websites is that the audio player automatically starts within 2-3 seconds of
the site fully loading.  The file size of the player and the audio file are
both small so the site isn¹t slow when being viewed on the user¹s end.

An important thing to keep in mind that the user always needs to have the
option to adjust the volume and to start/stop/pause the music.  If that is
not a feature the user will get annoyed and could potentially leave the site
just as quickly as they got there!


I hope this helps and have a great day!


Nicholas Taylor
Web Strategy & Systems Manager
Purdue University
South Campus Courts, Building D
507 Harrison Street
West Lafayette, IN 47907
(765) 496-6864 office
(765) 494-0793 fax
(616) 634-9193 mobile



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> Hi,
>  
> This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I *think*
> it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if you feel that
> is more appropriate.
>  
> I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading a
> music player starts automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for a
> bands website or would you think that you should always get the user to
> initiate playback?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> James
>  
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[veine]

Hello James;

I *think* it needs to be a choice of the user - if not it'll add to the 
confusion for screen readers 
and also annoyance for the user waiting for the download and start of the music.

  Regards

 ~Veine

On 15 Aug 2008 at 15:14, James Leslie wrote:

> 
> Hi, 
> 
> This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I *think* 
> it is on-topic, apologies 
> if not and please mail me off-list if you feel that is more appropriate. 
> 
> I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage loading a 
> music player starts 
> automatically. Do people think this is acceptable for a bands website or 
> would you think that you 
> should always get the user to initiate playback? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> James 
> 
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Re: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[Schalk Neethling]

Hi James,

To my mind, the user always needs to initiate it.

Regards,
Schalk

James Leslie wrote:

Hi,
 
This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I 
*think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if 
you feel that is more appropriate.
 
I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage 
loading a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is 
acceptable for a bands website or would you think that you should always 
get the user to initiate playback?
 
Thanks
 
James
 


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[WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

[James Leslie]

Hi,
 
This is a more best practices question than strictly standards, but I
*think* it is on-topic, apologies if not and please mail me off-list if
you feel that is more appropriate.
 
I have a band for a client who are requesting that on the homepage
loading a music player starts automatically. Do people think this is
acceptable for a bands website or would you think that you should always
get the user to initiate playback?
 
Thanks
 
James
 


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RE: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

[michael.brockington]

>An individual who brings a case under the DDA can seek 
>monetary compensation. However, the law is supposed to be a 
>last resort, and users are expected to give the website owner 
>the opportunity to make the website accessible before 
>resorting to law. Failure to do so suggests that the plaintiff 
>is just looking for a payout and that they are not actually 
>interested in being able to use the website. The situation may 
>be different in the US but you're not going to get 
>ambulance-chasing lawyers stirring up trouble in the UK.
>


However, even in the UK, precious few lawyers, if any, ever lose money
on a case - one side or the other generally has to bear the costs of
both sets of lawyers, unless there is an out-of-court settlement.

Incidentally, the DDA does not specifically mention that it applies to
websites - in fact, the specific regulations that state that .gov.uk
websites MUST achieve WCAG AA could easily be taken as an indication
that the DDA poses a lesser burden. I am not a lawyer, and even if I
was, this has never been tested in court (to my knowledge) and therefore
there is no legal precedent.

In addition to what Steve said, it is my understanding that legal action
cannot be taken in the UK until after notification has been made of the
specific issue at hand. In other words, it is perfectly legal to create
a site that breaks every WCAG guideline. If someone points out that it
is inaccessible in a particular way, only then does it become necessary
to work out what changes can reasonably be made to accommodate the issue
- if it is unreasonably expensive then you don't have to change. If you
change that one thing, but someone then points out another issue, you
again get the chance to fix it before a lawsuit may be issued. None of
this has anything directly to do with WCAG - knowledge of the latter is
arguably as likely to get you into trouble as out of it, since you could
then be deemed to be deliberately ignoring something from the AAA
guidelines!
Like so much of the Law, it is all a big mess, which is why Lawyers make
big money, whether they win or lose.

Regards,
Mike


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RE: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

[Steve Green]

 

Thanks Steve for the clarification.

OK, in the risk of showing more ignorant, I still have question. My
understanding on WCAG guidelines, are the fundamental principle of DDA,
Section 508 and similar law in other countries correct? When a website is to
be DDA or Section 508 compliant, for lack of better guideline (or none) from
the DDA law, we follow WCAG guidelines because there aren't anything else we
can base on. Is it not that UK websites are to to be WCAG AA compliant so
that it meets UK DDA compliant? 'Reasonable measures' takes into account
that is correct; personally I feel that making an accessible site for all
people regardless of disability take one's common sense, sensibility and
compassion towards  others who are at disadvantage doing certain things that
most people like us take it for granted, these are also reasonable measures
I think.

Since the DDA law has not drafted out a comprehensive guideline for website
maker/owner to follow but an unofficial WCAG we depend on, I think
'reasonable measures' can also be favored by defendant with his [EMAIL 
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lawyer :-)

Under British law, can individual who brings a case under the DDA and the
lawyer seek monetary compensation?
Couple months  ago a handful of ADA lawsuits handled by a same lawyer.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/06/13/carollloyd.DTL&h
w=disability+lawsuit&sn=001&sc=1000

I followed the story because one of my clients was affected, she closed her
business as a result. After reading some background stories, I am not
sympathize to the plaintiffs. If a lawyer filed over 1500 cases like this,
and fatten his wallet on every case, it's hard to convince that he was
fighting for a just and noble cause but a tumour for ADA/DDA.
If lawyer and plaintiff can seek monetary compensation, I honestly hope no
ADA/DDA law ever applies to website.

tee
  
--

The DDA is only relevant if both the user and the website owner are based in
the UK. In all other circumstances it can and should be ignored. And it has
absolutely nothing to do with the WCAG. The DDA does not require WCAG
compliance and does not even mention it. WCAG compliance could be used as
part of a defence that reasonable measures were taken, but it may not be
sufficient (the court may believe that the website owner had sufficient
resources to conduct user testing that would have revealed accessibility
issues that the WCAG testing missed).

Section 508 only applied in the US, and only to Federal or Federally-funded
websites.  In all other circumstances it can and should be ignored.

All of which leaves us with the WCAG, which are universally recognised.
Unless a country has its own set of guidelines, WCAG is all you need to be
concerned with.

An individual who brings a case under the DDA can seek monetary
compensation. However, the law is supposed to be a last resort, and users
are expected to give the website owner the opportunity to make the website
accessible before resorting to law. Failure to do so suggests that the
plaintiff is just looking for a payout and that they are not actually
interested in being able to use the website. The situation may be different
in the US but you're not going to get ambulance-chasing lawyers stirring up
trouble in the UK.

Steve



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Re: [WSG] Issues making compliant code using Joomla! [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Kim Kruse]

wrong account ;) Sorry for that.

Kim
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