Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
definitely a mac thing, not sharing libraries like windows dll hell... On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM, Paul Collins at wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JS Image Slider
Hi, I recently found this site for that; http://billwscott.com/carousel/ , which btw is build upon Yahoo's YUI. Let me know how it fares, as I still have to implement it myself for my site as well. regards, Maarten On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 3:21 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im looking on creating an image slider. Basically a 400px x 200px box that you can slide along and reveal more images. They will hold the 'latest' image uploads. Each slide will have about 4-5 images, you scoll accross and you view more. I want to do this so that users without Javascript enabled can still see the images. Would it be best to create the box and to start with display the first 4-5 images and if JS is disabled then they get the first few. The images are selected at random from the new galleries. If the user has JS enabled then they can view all the images. There will be a limit of 15 images in the slider box. I can load the images into an array using PHP and then use JS to extract the images that wouldn't get displayed if the user has JS disabled. Anyone got any views on it? I was looking at the Yahoo Design Pattern for a similar thing. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids
Hi Paul, thanks for the links, it's nice that they are also a bit different in design, so we have different examples. regards, Maarten On Nov 2, 2007 1:07 AM, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maarten, We've done a few, often with a couple of mods. www.vssmarthomes.com.au www.nyp.com.au (I think) www.wwwatertrucks.com The smaller the job, the more likely we are to use the YUI Grids as they are. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten Stolte Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 7:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids Hi, We've been using the YUI for a while. We wrote our own variant to support the proportions that our Art Director likes to use, which include the Golden Mean. Can you show any examples of sites using it? I'm wanting to show our front end designer some examples. thanks, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids
Hi, We've been using the YUI for a while. We wrote our own variant to support the proportions that our Art Director likes to use, which include the Golden Mean. Can you show any examples of sites using it? I'm wanting to show our front end designer some examples. thanks, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI
On 12/10/2007, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI ( http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ? Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps? Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance, error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate? JavaScript libraries do not by themselves put errors in your CSS or HTML, only you - the user - can do that. :) Not true. YUI is much more then a Javascript library, and it outputting alot of HTML and CSS could (possibly!) make it break your valid pages. I am using YUI, its very nice, but i've only been using it for some small things and I did not yet validate them, and even if I had, it would not be a guarantee for other parts of the library. It *is* tested in alot of browsers for compatibility, which is maybe even more important then standards compliance (sorry...). regards, Maarten If you consider WCAG a web standard, then you need to make sure that your page is still accessible when scripts are turned off (or words to that effect). Read our article that Alfonso linked to for an example of how jQuery can be applied. -- Matthew Pennell // m: 07904 432123 // www.thewatchmakerproject.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] prettier forms
Hello, I'm looking for pointers towards tutorials on how to make a form look prettier; especially the selectbox/pulldown and checkboxes are of interest. Thanks for any help, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] prettier forms
Hello, As I recall those are controlled by the operating system so if you using MAC they will look nice shiny blue etc, hope that helped yes they are normally by either OS or the browser, as are all form elements, but most can be styled, using either CSS, a proprietary system or by using tricks like drawing an image instead of the checkbox, and hiding the checkbox. I maybe didn't make myself clear, but I'm trying to find a good example of these javascript/dom/css tricks to style those elements, and maybe others, and by good example I mean available on as many browsers as possible, standards based and with a good fallback to the normal elements if the tricks don't work on a browser. regards, Maarten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten stolte Sent: 14 September 2007 14:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] prettier forms Hello, I'm looking for pointers towards tutorials on how to make a form look prettier; especially the selectbox/pulldown and checkboxes are of interest. Thanks for any help, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] prettier forms
Drop down lists I'm not so sure but check boxes and radio buttons definitely. They use JavaScript and CSS and it is a form of image replacement that is used. Here is one example: http://www.whatstyle.net/articles/18/pretty_form_controls_with_css But there are many out there and as long as your check boxes degrade to the default you will be fine. So I suggest styling up your form using the defaults and use the example above to enhance the look of the form only. The example above uses CSS 3 pseudo classes but I believe he provides a suitable alternative if you don't want to use CSS 3. thanks, it looks like a nice css exercise, but with IE support being non-existant, and IE usage being everything but non-existant I think I prefer using the image tricks with javascript. As for the drop down boxes, I know that tricks exist for those, but I am afraid that those might not be available with the limits I set earlier on. I hope this helps Jamie. On 14/09/2007, Mohamed Jama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I recall those are controlled by the operating system so if you using MAC they will look nice shiny blue etc, hope that helped M. Jama big:interactive 91 Princedale Road Holland Park London W11 4NS Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +44 (0)20 7313 2262 www.biggroup.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten stolte Sent: 14 September 2007 14:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] prettier forms Hello, I'm looking for pointers towards tutorials on how to make a form look prettier; especially the selectbox/pulldown and checkboxes are of interest. Thanks for any help, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] prettier forms
Hi, Give this a go: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=css+for+forms+and+drop+down+menusmet a= thanks, but I'd like to style a form element select box, so would you suggest adding a javascript event to these pulldowns instead of a link to trigger a hidden value in the form, or..? Maarten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten stolte Sent: 14 September 2007 14:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] prettier forms Hello, I'm looking for pointers towards tutorials on how to make a form look prettier; especially the selectbox/pulldown and checkboxes are of interest. Thanks for any help, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] footer technique
Hello, Joshua Street wrote: I don't have a Mac either, but supposedly Konqueror and Safari use similar rendering engines, so I tested in that instead. It is indeed mildly broken, but certainly acceptable. The footer will render at the very bottom of the viewport on page load without any problems, HOWEVER, if the user subsequently resizes the viewport (to increase the vertical height), the footer will remain at the bottom most point at which it last rendered. This also occurs if the window is resized upwards (e.g. vertical height is reduced) and then downwards again (e.g. vertical height is increased/returned to "normal" size). Why not just use the technique from Bobby van der Sluis, it works all the time on dom enabled browsers; http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/ Maarten Stolte Nothing show-stopping. Having said all that, no guarantees it's exactly the same as Safari... On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:01 +0800, Kay Smoljak wrote: Looks like someone has found a mostly-reliable CSS-only solution to that common footer problem - getting a footer to stick to the bottom of the viewport no matter how long or short the content is, which doesn't overlap the content when the window is resized: Explanation: http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/ Example: http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/css/footerstick/footerstick.html Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page? Thanks!
[WSG] AJAX and accesibility
Hello, I'm trying to find out if there are any resources on AJAX and accesibility. It seems to me that if I would employ AJAX technologies on my site to enable a richer application experience, I would still need to code for non-JavaScript useragents . I also think that with screenreaders, lots of AJAX tricks would be hard to parse, even if such a reader would have JavaScript. Do these things hold true, and are there other things that I need to take into account? regards, Maarten Stolte ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility
Hi, thanks for the replies, I'm reading the three articles now, and they seem very useful. regards, Maarten -Original Message- From: James Denholm-Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:21:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility Check out Derek Featherstone's follow-up to his talk at @media for some interesting viewpoints: http://www.boxofchocolates.ca/archives/2005/06/12/javascript-and-accessibility#more-72 1. You probably always have to do the back end stuff anyway, even if you can process lots of stuff that used to be back end on the client using AJAX -- what if your most important visitor has JS disabled or something (his firewall mabe?) breaks AJAX? 2. Some screenreaders DO detect JS-driven changes to the DOM (e.g. JAWS using IE) but I don't think it's definite what they see and what they don't and as far as AJAX is concerned it's early days :-) Just my 2p ... James On 6/29/05, Maarten Stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm trying to find out if there are any resources on AJAX and accesibility. It seems to me that if I would employ AJAX technologies on my site to enable a richer application experience, I would still need to code for non-JavaScript useragents . I also think that with screenreaders, lots of AJAX tricks would be hard to parse, even if such a reader would have JavaScript. Do these things hold true, and are there other things that I need to take into account? regards, Maarten Stolte ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Hi, also note that when using XHTML, say with help from Designing with Webstandards from Jeffrey Zeldman, you can make a site that looks great in newer browsers, and also works in older browsers... Maarten Erica Jean wrote: Thanks to both of you for the links :) I really appreciate it ^^ ---Original Message--- From: Brian Cummiskey Date: 06/21/05 15:31:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hi there! Erica Jean wrote: Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/ ** The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
