not to bad considering! Nice one
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From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Icon and Aura
Can't quite replicate the hover state, but:
cmon you webstandards ppl!
acronym title=Pain in the ArsePITA/acronym
I had to go look it up myself :'(
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From: scott parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2003 2:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Icon and Aura
um, lindsay
What kind of setup do ppl here use for browser testing? I'm setting up a PC with
Virtual PC and multiple OS's, but I'm wondering things like:
how many installs of each OS needed to test various version of IE
for example, does IE6 on Win2k have different issues to IE6 on any other Win OS
I want to have an image with text on the right, but when the text goes beyond the
bottom of the image I don't want it wrap, but rather to keep the consistent margin:
-
| |
| |
| |
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Regards,
Miles
Oops, my fingers slipped onto the send shortcut... so, as I was saying:
- text text text
| | text text text
| | text text text
| | text text text
| image| text text text
| | text text text
| | text text text
|
Miles :
Put your text in in a block set its margin-left to x pixels (.eg 170)
should be wider than the image (.eg 160).. The margin will run from
the left of the containing block.
This will work for fixed width images.
Cheers
James
Miles Tillinger wrote:
Oops, my fingers slipped onto
: Irapuan Martinez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] RE: Image float and text wrap
At 11:09 13/11/2003 +1030, Miles Tillinger wrote:
The reason I wanted to do it was because the image and the text both
linked to the same URL
Actually, its even BETTER than that!
Its a 'feature':
http://www.mtopsoft.com/
Dec 28, 2003, Encrypt HTML Pro V2.1 Released:
Encrypt and protect your web source code, including HTML source code, JavaScript,
VBScript, text, links and graphics, from being viewed and reused by others.
..
Disable
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: html encryption tool
You're joking aren't you? Couldn't find that reference on their site
Miles Tillinger wrote:
..
Disable opera users
The live version is www.edna.edu.au, but this currently has no DOCTYPE. However I am
testing different DOCTYPEs internally on a version of the site templates that have had
a lot of issues fixed.
I have been instructed to apply as many Priority 1 and 2 accessibility requirements as
possible,
One of the problems that is really annoying is the font-size. With a DOCTYPE the text
shrinks to an unreadable size. From looking around at other good examples of
accessible sites it seems that some use em's, and some use a mixture of px and %
values. The current css for the site is a
From an earlier post ('[WSG] relative positioning of nested lists') that sounds
similar problem:
The extra linebreak vanishes if you specify padding-bottom or border-bottom.
HTH.
-Original Message-
From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:42 PM
more
here...
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#generic-font-families
-Original Message-From: Chris Stratford
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003
5:28 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] A
Little CSS Help
Hey
Everyone!
Well I
I definitely agree that relative sized fonts provide a more accessible design but I
wonder about how sight-impaired users themselves use the web and their PC's in
general? For instance, my grandfather has coke-bottle-thickness glasses and as such
uses a 19 monitor in 800x600 resolution, which
touché Mark ;) It is a problem that Windows buries its accessibility options so deep.
I think it would be better that he could walk into a net cafe and be able to easily
changes the OS font-size. However since this isn't the case, the ability to change it
in the browser IS the next best
browsers generally behave better
with attachments/mime-types in general.
Miles Tillinger wrote:
Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in
a new window.
At the moment I am using _blank targets.
Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open
If I had a dollar for everytime that I had given some a www-less URL verbally and
they've just entered www. blah out of habit, I'd be a millionaire!
Ubergeek:
Ok, enter the URL 'news.google.com'
N00b:
[enters www.news.google.com]
Ubergeek:
No, no no, no WWW!
N00b:
news.google.com, without
I'm developing an accessible form template that uses fieldsets. I'm hiding the legend
using display:none so it doesn't appear, which keeps the form accessible. Problem is
that the legend still displays in Netscape 4, but I thought display:none was supported?
e.g.
legend
before you say it, yes, i did actually use a . in the declaration, e.g.
legDefault { default: none; }
-Original Message-
From: Miles Tillinger
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:42 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] Hiding LEGEND in Netscape 4
I'm developing
DOH, I did a fantastic job of writing this email! Let me try again:
legend class=legDefaultTitle/legend
legDefault { display: none; }
This works fine in IE4+ and Mozilla flavours. But not NS4...
-Original Message-
From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December
Title: Small bug
The
confidentiality issue would be a problem for many ppl who want help on this
list. But its a bit of an annoyance to strip all the identifying logo's
and text from a design so I can safely post the URL to this
list...
-Original Message-From: Universal Head
oh man, I'm such a luser! Good stuff though, at least now I understand why I get
ignored a lot...
mt.
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From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Subject headings (was: ?)
Taco Fleur
If the css is in a linked file, change the filename to prevent users getting the
cached version.
-Original Message-
From: Chris Blown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] big trouble...still!
This may be a caching
There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the list, so
here goes some OT goodness:
A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16, both must
be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted, especially Plone, i
love what
That's kinda risky though if the content is dynamic because one long line could break
the layout. I try to avoid using nowrap's or non-breaking spaces wherever possible.
Just my $0.02...
MT
-Original Message-
From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004
yeah that is just ridiculously blatant and so comical with his copyright notices at
the bottom! No 'permission given' information anywhere, be it the About page or at
least some commenting in the HTML or CSS!
I can accept that sometimes designers see a CSS layout that they want to base their
Nice
one yetagain Peter! All of your recent sites have been a pleasure to
look at and the simple yet beautiful designs are the perfect partner for
table-less layouts...
Miles.
-Original Message-From: Universal Head
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:20
Firstly, apologies for the OT repost and I'm not even sure if anyone else worries
about this, but...
First list member I started having the problem with was Mark Stanton back in January,
now James Silva and Gary Greer as well (and another one-off from Dominique something
or other). I'm using
Finally a chance for my first attempt at a 100% CSS positioning site and besides using
the deprecated align parameter for an input:image, the site validates ok!
http://streetdaddy.gotdns.com/astute/index.html
http://streetdaddy.gotdns.com/astute/main.css
Very nice indeed James, thanks for passing me the links otherwise I would've missed
out on seeing it...
The first word bold, second word normal thing seems to be gaining momentum amongst the
various CSS sites I've seen lately, understandably as it is a nice effect for titles.
The first thing I
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 03:57 PM, Miles Tillinger wrote:
I've managed to get it basically perfect in IE6, but there is small
2-3 pixel discrepancy in Mozilla and Opera (haven't had a chance to
check on Safari yet *shudder*) down the left side of the
right column.
I'm
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fax: +612 9937 0546
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Miles Tillinger
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 3:57 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] best method for columns inside a column
Finally
Hi all,
I'm working on improving the site testing procedures here at work. I'm trying to
gauge the need to test browsers on the different Windows (and other) OS's. I'm using
the standalone IE's under Windows XP and I'm wondering if the IE5.5 standalone is
behaving exactly the same as an
and then in finding the quirksmode url I found this!
http://vmalek.murphy.cz/
Has anyone discovered any issues with this method?
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From: glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] centering an element
www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html
seems that you need to use a table if you want vertical alignment that is consistent
across recent browsers. I haven't been able to do it without using a table either...
HTH.
-Original Message-
From: glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
My short answer:
A uni degree is more than just a piece of paper, its a statement that you were
determined and dedicated enought to finish what you'd started. I dropped out in 3rd
of 4 years and even though it hasn't affected me yet, I worry that I'll be wishing I
had finished it when I apply
Having
the degree is one thing, but enjoying what you do is another thing
completely. I don't think you'll find many ppl who are successful at what
they do but totally hate doingit... If you get into an IT job before
you finish then you'll havea headstart on everyone
else.
-Original
Seems
like they glazed over when reading the accessibility information in your
original email. This is all to familiar for me as there are ppl you can
explain the benefits of standardsto 10x a day and they still forget what
it all means by the next day... In most cases if it's a small site
Three cheers for Web Standards evangelism! Kudos for making the effort to spread the
gospel, but I don't know if I agree with the approach. Fair enough that you'd like to
win the job, but the end of the email starts sounding like marketing spam. A
political approach might be more effective
, however I'm sure there must be a simple way to align the two
divs!
Am I even close?
Regards,
Miles Tillinger
Web Developer
education.au limited
178 Fullarton Road
Dulwich SA 5065
Ph. (08) 8334 3247
Fax. (08) 8334 3211
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please visit our websites:
http://www.edna.edu.au
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Miles Tillinger
Sent: Friday, 30 April 2004 11:24 AM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] Aligning two DIVs horizontally
I thought this would be simple but it's making me feel a bit useless!
I'm simply trying to align two DIVs horizontally
Its now lined up ok and I increased the size of the submit image to fill the space.
Looks ok in IE as well, until I stuff something else further down the page...
Thanks Tim and Lachlan for the advice :)
Miles.
-Original Message-
From: Lachlan Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
that it's as inaccessible as flash anyway. Just
thinking about it makes my brain hurt...
Mt.
-Original Message-
From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Org Charts
Miles Tillinger wrote:
How well does
I've found a few references to mystery whitespace in IE but they're all related to
space above and below elements. I've got mystery whitespace on the left of an element.
In exhibit A in IE, the image (blue border) has a 3px gap on the left between it and
the paragraph (red border).
Firefox has
IE6 wraps long URL's at spaces ( ), hyphens (-), question marks (?) and percent signs
(%), whereas Mozilla doesn't wrap unbroken strings at all. In the crazy world of
CMS's and unpredictable 'cowboy' content editors this can be a bit of a problem for
multi-column portal sites. Is there any way
Surprise! A formatting problem in IE...
In IE5+ and Opera, the second dd, which contains the Category links, is jumping up and
floating to the right of the first dd with the URL. It displays fine in Firefox and
Netscape 7.
html/css is at http://www.streetdaddy.com/wsg/index2.html
Thanks in
Update!
Added width: 50em; to dd and it stopped it from floating to the right. But now the dd
wraps at a fixed width! I want it to go 100% but it won't play ball...
Mt.
-Original Message-
From: Miles Tillinger
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:26 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail
?
#apiresults dt
{
width: 8em;
float: left;
clear: left;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
font-weight: normal;
}
#apiresults dd
{
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
Should be enough.
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Miles Tillinger
Because you've declared XHTML doctype for your page (see first line of your code) you
need to use parameter=value pairs in all cases.
So for valid XHTML you'd need
option value=# selected=selectedSelect a page/option
For more XHTML syntax rules see
I think the design is great, very clean and easy to read. My only thought as far as
standards go is that for the title 'SEOed.com' you could use:
h1span class=oneSeo/spanspan class=oneed/spanspan
class=one.com/span/h1
instead of an image and format the text with CSS, using some spans to
Hi Neerav,
Thanks for the link :) Very useful to know... Just another good reason to build
accessible interfaces... I now know a few of my older sites will have problems due to
SP2 but I wouldn't have realised if not for those checkpoints!
Cheers,
Mt.
-Original Message-
From:
I'm using Jahia CMS at work (www.jahia.org), however commercial license
is pricey. Jahia allows you to develop templates from scratch so the
site and content can be as standard as you want to make it. The admin
and content management interface would not be classed as standards-based
or
That's not the first vulnerability to be found in Firefox and whilst it
may be ammunition for IE-zealots it's nothing compared to all of the
exploits that IE is vulnerable to... As Firefox gains popularity I
don't doubt more holes will appear, but that's the price of fame!
Mt.
-Original
Title: 4-column layout
I've been able to find a few 4-column CSS layouts but they're all either 4x fixed divs or 4x fluid divs. Before I embark on my own voyage of discovery/pain, is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? I've thought a bit about it and I'm
Hi,
I'm trying to represent the path as an unordered list, e.g.
Home Level One Level Two Level Three etc.
ul
liHome/li
liLevel One/li
liLevel Two/li
liLevel Three/li
lietc./li
/ul
However in situations where the path is extremely long the list will not
wrap and breaks my layout,
In regards to the links ppl have given you to the 'Multiple Internet
Explorer versions' downloads, you should be aware of the potential
issues. There is no evidence either way that says this method is a true
representation of older versions of IE and all inherent issues with
Javascript, CSS, DOM,
A lot less tables than before 8D but plenty of validation errors... It
scares me to think of how difficult it would be to keep all of the
content compliant when there's so much 3rd party shite plugged into
every page. Definitely a step in the right direction, thumbs up!
Mt.
-Original
on
Mac. Try adding *float:left* to the navigation items.
--Zachary
Miles Tillinger wrote:
Hi all,
I've managed to get this horizontal menu working in most
browsers that
it needs to, but IE 5.2 on OSX is being painful (not surprisingly).
The original HTML was provided by another
I can't remember for sure, but I think font embedding is an IE only
thing...
IMHO it's for the best anyway coz I'd hate to try and read a page of
content written in some crazy Matrix font or similar!
Regards,
Miles.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
Hi,
Consider the following example:
http://www.streetdaddy.com/temp/index.html
http://www.streetdaddy.com/temp/index.css
I am developing a site based around this structure, however something in
the complicated CSS of my site is causing it to not behave the same as
this simple example. The
deadline!
Regards,
Miles.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Miles Tillinger
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2005 3:27 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] 100% width table inside a DIV
Hi,
Consider the following example
Has anyone been able to successfully right align the Suckerfish
horizontal dropdown menu without defining the width of the container or
UL? Preferably would work in Opera and Mac IE5 if possible.
I am using the following example:
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/bones/
MT.
Could CSS be used to display that two-column table layout as a single
column? Say. for small screen devices like PDA's or XDA's? Seems to be
a flaw of table-based layouts and crosses platform-independence off the
list...
correct me if I'm wrong (I usually am)...
Regards,
Miles.
As for a
I recently launched an overhaul of the interface of
www.education.gov.au. Its been a bit of a battle trying to get the
client to sacrifice things for the sake of accessibility and
standards-compliance, not to mention the state of the legacy content and
CMS templates, battles still raging
I am in awe! I'm yet to score a commercial excuse to
implement an AJAX solution, but I've been playing around with
scriptaculousand other frameworks. This offering from Yahoo is just
amazing and looks to provide yet more functionality. I'm sure this will be
appreciated by everyone who is
I am going to the Awards ceremony at the Adelaide Convention Centre as
my work was given some invites. I'm interested to see what sort of role
standards has played in the finalists projects and I'll be sure to ask
lots of annoying questions if I get the chance!
Sifting through the finalists
Further investigation shows that there are a few finalists that have
somewhat adhered to standards, but hardly to the level of satisfaction
that many WSG regulars would want. I think they're missing a category:
BEST ACCESSIBILITY
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
This is a centered tab menu based on Alistapart's Sliding Doors concept.
The IE7 zoom tool is making the anchor text in the tabs 'collapse' away
from the tab background images. See example:
http://www.streetdaddy.com/temp/ce/
It only happens when the li is display: block (needed to center the
Hi Paul,
Its ok when using the View Text Size options, but if I use the Zoom
tool in the bottom right hand corner to set a percentage zoom, that's
when the problem occurs. Is it the Zoom tool you tried? If so, then
I'm even more confused!
Cheers,
Miles.
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