Re: [WSG] help

[Roberto Gorjão]

Really sorry to hear that, Marvin.
If the hard disk was corrupted and you set it back to default factory 
settings, that probably means that the disk was reformatted. It this was 
the case, I'm afraid there's no recover software that might help you.

Best of luck, anyway.
Roberto

Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
well lost all my project a couple of months ago.
dodgy system restore.
corrupted hard disk.
so with my toshiba satellite a300 you can set it back to default 
factory settings.

thus wiping the drive.
so lost all my projects, data, e-mails, links, contacts, etc.
and my music.
but been able to get most of the music back from a friend.
now got a external 1 tb external drive.
tried a few recovery programs.
but either not accessible.
did find one called recover my files, but to recover, you had to pay 
for the version.

problem, i do not have a credit card or pay pal account.
so, any one used recovery software that works with a screen reader, 
and is free.

marvin.

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Re: [WSG] new site review

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi, Raul:

Nice looking website. Top grey text could in fact use more contrast. I 
also think that it is a shame that the text in the menu was converted 
for such small images. There was no need for it as the font used is 
pretty common and you lost there a lot of usability and accessibility, 
as users are not able to resize it.


Cheers,

Roberto


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Re: [WSG] mouse rollovers how to fix them

[Roberto Gorjão]

http://startrekcafe.alacorncomputer.com/

Matthew Pennell wrote:


We don't all keep a record of all your links. ;) Can you provide a URL?

- Matthew




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Re: [WSG] Styling Input (text) and Select

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

It's never the !DOCTYPE fault.

Without it Firefox assumes that you're in quirks mode so it renders as 
you've been developing for IE5. When you're in standards mode, width 
doesn't include padding (padding adds to the width), so you have to 
subtract the left and right padding and also account for the border 
width: 20+4+2=26px. That's the value that you need to subtract from the 
pretended total width of 250px.


Maintain the !DOCTYPE and change the input width to: width: 224px;

Roberto






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Re: [WSG] my site

[Roberto Gorjão]

I'm very, very sorry for the receipt request! It was a long time since I 
last participated in this list. I've already altered my settings.


Roberto


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Re: [WSG] my site

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

At the homepage source you have a  too much on line 59.
Also, the mango image is not loading. It seems that the file is corrupt: 
when trying to reach I get a message saying that the image "has errors".


I think all the tables are loading correctly, both at the homepage and 
produce. I would suggest:
- add an extra column for the images, instead of inserting them in the 
same cell as text;

- make all images have the same size;
- get rid of the bananas images on the menu because they make it too long.

HTH,

Roberto


Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
did vallidate all the pages and fixed all the errors.
so what do you mean by excess tags.
that is the way i set it up and want it that way.
what do you mean by images not loading.
cheers Marvin. 

  



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Re: [WSG] WAI validator for local site

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

Try:

– The Wave Firefox toolbar: http://wave.webaim.org/
– The TAW3 standalone tool: http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en
– The ASES tool (in Portuguese): 
http://www.governoeletronico.gov.br/acoes-e-projetos/e-MAG/ases-avaliador-e-simulador-de-acessibilidade-sitios
– The TotalValidator desktop tool: 
http://www.totalvalidator.com/tool/index.html

– The Firefox Accessibility Extension: http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu/

HTH!

Roberto

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tee wrote:

Is there a WAI validator available for local site?

Thanks!

tee


http://www.castelosnoar.com


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[WSG] References for best web video practices

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

I'm trying to write a paper on the use of video on the web. This paper 
might be used as reference on a web based organization, so I would like 
it to be thorough but precise. I'm looking for "fundamental" references 
on this subject. Could you point me to some of your bookmarks or other 
resources about it?


I'm specially interested in references that:

   * describe the chronological evolution of the video use on the web;
   * discuss formats and its advantages/disadvantages;
   * discuss best practices, both from the coder's and the user's point
 of view (including usability and accessibility);

Thanks in advance to all!

Roberto



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Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows

[Roberto Gorjão]

Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all 
the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug 
button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it.


Roberto

-
Rob Crowther wrote:

Simon Moss wrote:
FWIW I have been running iTunes and Quicktime on this machine - I 
wonder if that has anything to do with it?


I have Quicktime (which I've tried updating) but not iTunes.  I also 
have Swift (open source webkit based browser) installed which may be 
upsetting things.


I have found a way to get Safari to behave usefully, if not look very 
nice.  Go to the Safari folder in Program Files, look in the 
'Safari.resources' folder and delete the two .ttf files (Lucida Grande 
and Lucida Grande Bold).  Safari will then display text on the web 
page and chrome, but the chrome is all rendered in Times Roman.





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personal site: www.castelosnoar.com
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Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

[Roberto Gorjão]

I've solved the problem... The flash movie had the same id than its div 
container: I misused the flash object script from Geoff Stearns, and the 
CSS got mixed up. I should know better, sorry.


Roberto

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Roberto Gorjão wrote:


Olá a todos,

In this page - http://www.ouronor.com/problems/maquete.htm - I have a 
semi-hidden menu (flash inside a div). This menu has only a visible 
tip which is right below the logo. If you press it, the menu slides 
down... well, it should, but Firefox (only in windows, curiously) is 
the only browser that refuses to acknowledge its presence there. Funny 
thing: if you roll down the page till its end and back again, it 
starts working. Does anyone know how to solve this?




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Re: [WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Joseph,

What kind of validator are you using...? I had only 4 warnings and those 
are now corrected. The page is considered valid both by the W3C 
validator and by the Tidy utility that comes with the WebDeveloper toolbar.


Thank you.

Roberto

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Get your code to validate then repost if it still happens.  I notice 
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[WSG] missing menu: rendering bug in Firefox?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá a todos,

In this page - http://www.ouronor.com/problems/maquete.htm - I have a 
semi-hidden menu (flash inside a div). This menu has only a visible tip 
which is right below the logo. If you press it, the menu slides down... 
well, it should, but Firefox (only in windows, curiously) is the only 
browser that refuses to acknowledge its presence there. Funny thing: if 
you roll down the page till its end and back again, it starts working. 
Does anyone know how to solve this?


CSS is here: http://www.ouronor.com/CSS/problems/screen.css

Also, the background disappears in Opera 8 Win...

Thanks in advance for your help!

Saudações,

Roberto

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Re: [WSG] Multiple Firefox versions

[Roberto Gorjão]

Joshua,

If you want to run both version at once, then these two links may be 
helpfull:


http://the-edmeister.home.comcast.net/advice-html/simul-profiles_batch-file.html
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1757367#1757367

Also, make sure that the option "don't ask at startup", in the Firefox 
Profile Manager, is checked.


In Patrick's excellent answer the line
c:\program files\mozilla firefox 1.5\firefox -profilemanager
should read:
"C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox 1.5\firefox.exe" -profilemanager
as, as you know, directories with spaces in their names require that the 
path is written between comas and are case sensitive... As I do not have 
a programmer background I just keep forgetting these things.


Hope that may of some use...

Roberto

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Joshua Street wrote:


Ah, yes, that's what I was trying to do. If I just install both I end
up getting plugins overlapping between installs, and can't run both at
once (I think because of the way it calls new windows?)
 



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Re: [WSG] Multiple Firefox versions

[Roberto Gorjão]

To me it was enough to install different versions in different folders. 
They work without problems or incompatibilities.


Roberto Gorjão

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Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knows how to install multiple versions of
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Re: [WSG] web developer toolbar for IE!!!!

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá!

I've installed the microsoft web developer toolbar and it seems to be 
incompatible (surprise!) with the AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar -- it 
made all the buttons disappear. I've tried to reinstall the AIS toolbar, 
but it had no effect.


I enjoyed a lot the DOM explorer of the microsoft toolbar, but the AIS 
has a lot of useful functions... It would be perfect to have them both 
working. Does anyone know how to solve the incompatibility problem?


Obrigado!

Roberto Gorjão

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Justin Thorp wrote:

As an alternative, you may want to check out the AIS Web Accessibility 
Toolbar for IE. It is a great tool.

http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/install.html

Sincerely,
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Re: [WSG] getElementById() always returns null

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Chris,

As JavaScript isn't a precompiled language (rather a scripting one), 
functions, objects and variables are processed one after another, 
following the source order. When you declare your variables, the browser 
is not yet aware of the existence of the two requested elements. You 
have several alternatives:


To place your script after the two "a" and "p" elements, inside the body 
tags ( it's probably not the nicest way but it functions...):

-


   JavaScript Testing
   
   a { font: normal 24px "Trebuchet MS"; }
   p { display: none; }
   


   Hover toggle
   Hello world!
  
   var toggle = document.getElementById('toggle');
   var onoff = document.getElementById('onoff');
   toggle.onmouseover = function() {
   onoff.style.display = 'inline';
   }
   toggle.onmouseout = function() {
   onoff.style.display = 'none';
   }
   



To write a simple function and call it with the onmouseover and 
onmouseout event handlers inside the elements tags:




   JavaScript Testing
   
   a { font: normal 24px "Trebuchet MS"; }
   p { display: none; }
   
   
   function toggle(status) {
   var onoff = document.getElementById('onoff');
   onoff.style.display = status;
   }
   


   onMouseOut="toggle('none');">Hover toggle

   Hello world!


---
To write a more complicated function and call it with a onLoad event 
handler in the body tag, which delays the processing of the function and 
its variables till all the objects are loaded in memory by the browser:




   JavaScript Testing
   
   a { font: normal 24px "Trebuchet MS"; }
   p { display: none; }
   
   
   function toggleOnOff() {
   var toggle = document.getElementById('toggle');
   var onoff = document.getElementById('onoff');
   toggle.onmouseover = function() {
   onoff.style.display = 'block';
   }
   toggle.onmouseout = function() {
  onoff.style.display = 'none';
   }
   }
   


   Hover toggle
   Hello world!


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HTH!
Roberto

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[WSG] HTML 4.01 versus XHTML 1.0

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá a todos,

I’ve tried to make my mind on my own on this subject, but I must confess 
I’m a bit confused…
I’m talking about XHTML 1.0 served as text/html, as I have no use for 
xml yet… Should I prefer it to HTML 4.01? Why?


On one hand I have the recommendations of:

   * The W3C – In their note “XHTML Media Types”(
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/), they say: “In summary,
 'application/xhtml+xml' *SHOULD* be used for XHTML Family
 documents, and the use of 'text/html' *SHOULD* be limited to
 HTML-compatible XHTML 1.0 documents.” – which doesn’t configure a
 recommendation for using XHTML in place of HTML, as Mark Pilgrim
 stresses.
   * Richard Ishida in his enlightening W3C tutorial: “We recommend the
 use of XHTML wherever possible”
 
(http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/en/all.html#Slide0010)
   * Jeffrey Zeldman in his book / almost bible “Designing with web
 standards”: “Top 10 reasons to Convert to XHTML”; “1- XHMTL is the
 current markup standard, replacing HTML 4.”; “3- XHTML is more
 consistent than HTML (…)”; “6- New browsers love XHTML (…)”; etc…
 “Top 5 reasons not to switch to XHMTL”; “1- you get paid by the
 hour.”, etc…
   * most of you that, by your practice and the URLs you have posted,
 have shown to prefer XHTML (are you serving it as XML too / using
 any kind of content negotiation? Am I missing something?)

On the other hand I have:

   * The Web Standards Project – in its article “WaSP asks the W3C”
 (http://www.webstandards.org/learn/askw3c/sep2003.html) they
 explicitly recommend serving HTML as text/html and XHTML as
 application/xhtml+xml, unless using some kind of content
 negotiation by the server. Text/html is considered an “alternate
 mime type” for XHTML 1.0., but is not explicitly recommended even
 if we follow the backward compatibility guidelines (appendix C of
 XHTML 1.0 W3C recommendation).
   * Ian Hickson text “Sending XHTML as text/html considered harmful”
 (http://www.hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml), where he specifically
 defends that “RFC 2854 spec refers to "a profile of use of XHTML
 which is compatible with HTML 4.01". There is no such thing.
 Documents that follow the guidelines in appendix C are not valid
 HTML 4.01 documents.”
   * Mark Pilgrims’ article “The Road to XHTML 2.0: MIME Types”
 (http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html). He talks
 about “XHTML's Dirty Little Secret” and says that “browsers aren't
 actually treating your XHTML as XML. Your validated, correctly
 DOCTYPE'd, completely standards compliant XHTML markup is being
 treated as if it were still HTML with a few weird slashes in
 places they don't belong”…
   * The new book “DHTML Utopia: Modern Web Design using JavaScript &
 DOM”, where Stuart Langridge echoes the opinions of Pilgrim and
 Hickson, strongly defending the use of HTML 4.0.1: “In short,
 using XHTML right now provides very little in the way of benefits,
 but brings with it a fair few extra complications. HTML 4.01
 Strict is just as “valid” as XHTML—XHTML did not replace HTML but
 sits alongside it.”

So, what are your opinions? Can someone shed some light on this 
subject? Where does the Web Standards Group stand about it, if at all? 
And the JavaScript developers among you… do you have any bad experiences 
to tell about the use of XHTML 1.0 in place of HTML 4.01 strict?


Bom fim de semana!

Roberto

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Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá Erwin,

I've been using the reusable FlashObject script from Geoff Stearns and I 
think that it is the best and more efficient method around, because, 
with Flash Satay method, if you have a series of movies, you would need 
to create a series of small loaders which is just not practical. And the 
direct communication of variables between the page and the flash movie 
and back again is not questioned. And it provides validation... based on 
a hack, sure, but still validation, with no harm done to the users or to 
the standards - I just hope that Macromedia and browser's developers 
resolve this situation quickly as flash format is not something that we 
can just forget and put aside.

http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/

Cumprimentos,

Roberto



Erwin Heiser wrote:


Hi all,

So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a
few flash elements (like a slideshow).
I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay
I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so
that it still validates.
Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions?
(I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional)
Thanks in advance,
Erwin Heiser


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Re: [WSG] drop shadows

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Jim,

So, my question is: is there a way for me to use this filter drop 
shadow without the requirement to statically add the height to each 
page? Would a bit of JavaScript do the trick? Although I’d rather not 
resort to that. Also, I’ve seen other implementations of drop shadows 
that rely on an offset div element and these initially worked fine but 
they appear flaky in practice and the explanations given on websites 
purporting to teach this stuff I find barely comprehensible


Filters are proprietary features from Internet Explorer (not part of any 
standard), therefore you will only see the shadows in that browser… The 
first question that I think you should ask yourself is: do I really want 
to use this feature?


If the answer is no, I would suggest to use a common structure to all 
your pages, with divs or tables (preferably divs, as you have already) 
and a background image repeating itself vertically or horizontally as 
needed.


Roberto


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Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML? [ADMIN]

[Roberto Gorjão]

Dear List Members,

I apologise for bringing up an OT theme. It was not intentional, simply 
thoughtless of me.


I thank the list members who have answered with brilliant information 
and links that were truly enlightening about the subject.


Obrigado!

Roberto

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We're pushing the OT limits with this thread.

I understand it's importance to some people but PHP is NOT a standard and we
don't want to go too much further into it here. Many list members don't use
PHP and this is just noise to them.

I'm not closing the thread but please limit your posts on this topic to only
crucial information that hasn't been said before.

If you move the thread to the CMS list you can go for it as hard as you like
without bothering designers and others that have no interest.

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Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Dear List Members,

I apologise for bringing up an OT theme. It was not intentional, simply 
thoughtless of me.


I thank the list members who have answered with brilliant information 
and links that were truly enlightening about the subject.


Obrigado!

Roberto

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Peter Firminger wrote:


We're pushing the OT limits with this thread.

I understand it's importance to some people but PHP is NOT a standard and we
don't want to go too much further into it here. Many list members don't use
PHP and this is just noise to them.

I'm not closing the thread but please limit your posts on this topic to only
crucial information that hasn't been said before.

If you move the thread to the CMS list you can go for it as hard as you like
without bothering designers and others that have no interest.

Peter


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[WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Olá a todos!

I’ve read Ian Hickson and Stuart Langridge objections to the use of 
XHTML without serving it as application/xhtml+xml. I also read the 
article “WaSP Asks the W3C” 
(http://www.webstandards.org/learn/askw3c/sep2003.html) and I decided 
that I sure am not going to create two versions of my sites just for the 
sake of serving XHTML as it should to browsers which can understand it, 
as suggested at the W3C tutorial about “Content-Negotiation” 
(http://www.w3.org/2003/01/xhtml-mimetype/content-negotiation).


Anyway, I noticed that many of you use XHTML and I sure was beginning to 
enjoy using it myself, and it seemed to me a good way to practice for 
the inevitable future… is it? I mean: a good way to practice, as I 
believe that XML is the inevitable future… I’m initiating now my study 
on PHP and MySQL and I read some objections about using XHTML with PHP… 
Will XHTML interfere with my learning of PHP? Would it be a good idea to 
stick with good old plain HTML?


Obrigado!
Roberto
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Re: [WSG] Inheritance Problem?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Lucian,

I see no difference between Firefox and IE, in windows. Only IE 5.0 
display the "books" page with a big space between "Our Books" and the 
following tabs... Were you refering to this problem?


Roberto

Lucian Teo wrote:

I worked on a site update (http://navmedia.com/) and it looks fine in  
Firefox but not in IE. I did not violate any box model discrepancies  
between the browsers. I can't seem to find what the cause of the  
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Re: [WSG] Has anybody read these books about JavaScript/AJAX?

[Roberto Gorjão]

I'm so sorry... Evidently I referenced the wrong book in my previous 
message I was too tired and I simply copied the first two of my 
amazon shopping cart. The books I meant are the below mentioned. Thank 
you, Chris.



Roberto Gorjão wrote:


Hi all,

I hope this question isn’t off topic…

I’ve discovered two quite recent books about JavaScript with a special 
emphasis on advanced event handling with DOM Level 2 and its use both 
for separating behaviours from markup and building dynamic web 
applications using remote scripting techniques / AJAX. I was wondering 
if someone had already seen/read them and could provide a quick 
commentary, namely about which one would be preferable (if any) or if 
acquiring both would be a good choice for complementarity…


The books are:

*DHTML Utopia Modern Web Design Using JavaScript & DOM* - Stuart 
Langridge


Professional JavaScript for Web Developers - Nicholas C. Zakas


Thanks!

Roberto

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[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi all,

I hope this question isn’t off topic…

I’ve discovered two quite recent books about JavaScript with a special 
emphasis on advanced event handling with DOM Level 2 and its use both 
for separating behaviours from markup and building dynamic web 
applications using remote scripting techniques / AJAX. I was wondering 
if someone had already seen/read them and could provide a quick 
commentary, namely about which one would be preferable (if any) or if 
acquiring both would be a good choice for complementarity…


The books are:

*Beginning MySQL (Programmer to Programmer)* - Robert Sheldon

*Professional JavaScript for Web Developers* - Nicholas C. Zakas

Thanks!

Roberto

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Re: [WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Jonathan,

Yes, it’s true but we would inhibit all versions of IE for Mac of 
displaying the page correctly, which is a shame as this browser still is 
worth the trouble and there is many people stucked with it and mac OS 9.


I think I will keep my odd solution with a CSS styles sheet just for 
IE5WIN filled with lots of !important declarations and wrapped in a 
conditional comment.


Thanks anyway!

Roberto
-


I really think, in my very humble opinion, that it's hard to make a website
to function in IE 5.0, unless my "multiple IE" testing method provides me with
 
It's a shame that the @import doesn't hide styles from these versions
of IE. It would make things a lot easier... 
   




If you do an @import with the following syntax (single quotes, no parethesis), 
IE5.5 and up get the file, but IE5 doesn't.

  @import'stylesheet.css';

My newest method is to include a link to a style sheet called 'filter.css.'  
Then all the filter.css file has is the @import statement above.  That way only 
modern browsers (and IE5.5 and up) see the style sheet.  Other browsers will 
just get the unstyled markup.

You may want to find out the percentage of your audience that's using those 
older browsers.  For my sites, I find it's so low I don't worry about it.

- Jonathan
 


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[WSG] browser statistics

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi all,

Does anyone know, by any chance, a website with reliable statistics on 
browsers’ use and popularity? I already know the “browser statistics” 
page by w3schools (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp) 
but, as even they recognize, “W3Schools is a website for people with an 
interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using 
alternative browsers than the average user.” And w3schools doesn’t 
distinguish IE5.0 from IE 5.5, which would be most relevant to me.


I searched the archive and the resources page but I have not found 
anything about this subject (I hope I had not overlooked). I think that 
it would be a great resource to create, for instance using the list 
members server's statistics, as we are from all over the planet... I 
don't know: it's a suggestion.


Roberto

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Re: [WSG] Disapearing divs in IE v5.0 only | Browser testing

[Roberto Gorjão]

Mike,

I use also multiple versions in my XP SP2 and I also confirm Patrick 
results. But I also would love to hear about else's experiences and 
opinions with multiple IE.


Roberto

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:


Mike Foskett wrote:


This error has made me re-evaluate my testing procedures.
Until now I have used "multiple IE" on one machine. Now I'm a little 
concerned that it may not be good enough and need to revert to using 
virtual PC.



I've just tried your page with my multiple IE version of IE 5.0SP2, 
and the problem shows...so I'd say it's not your testing methods that 
are to blame.



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Re: [WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Ben,

Yes, I'm using a bunch of !important declarations in order to hide some 
styles from IE 5.0 and other versions less than 5.5. I really think, in 
my very humble opinion, that it's hard to make a website to function in 
IE 5.0, unless my "multiple IE" testing method provides me with a wrong 
perception of this issue (I'm expectant about the answers to last Mike 
Foskett question "Disapearing divs in IE v5.0 only / Browser Testing" 
because of that). It's a shame that the @import doesn't hide styles from 
these versions of IE. It would make things a lot easier... at least for 
me (but I admit that I still have a lot to learn).


Thanks.

Roberto

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Ben Curtis wrote:



On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:23 AM, Roberto Gorjão wrote:

In this last styles sheet I reset all properties to 0, auto or 
inherited, using the wildcard selector.




Won't this be of lower specificity than all your other styles, and 
therefore never triggered? Are you using a bunch of !important 
declarations?



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Re: [WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Thanks Jan,

Great link!

Roberto
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Re: [WSG] Preventing scrolling

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Tatham,

Width the necessary adaptations, I think this does the trick:



Link to the article
Lots and lots of text. Lots and lots of text.




The div with the background-color set to transparent inhibits any click 
over the text or its selection. Another possibility would be to create a 
behaviour that treats the whole div as a link to the article.


Roberto

P.S.: I do not know if you received a mail I sent to you outside the 
list... Some divs have background problems at a resolution of 1400x1050.

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Tatham Oddie wrote:


Patrick,

I'll clarify... basically on whatcanido.com.au we have article teasers -
they have to fill a particular area of the screen (and this can change on
the fly client side). We don't want the teasers to ever scroll.

So, our solution is to have the "read full article" link at between the
heading and the teaser. Then we just have a really long teaser in a div with
overflow:hidden. The bigger their window/screen/resolution, the bigger the
box, the bigger the teaser.

The accessibility side-effect is that they get a really long teaser.

We couldn't think of a better way to handle changing resolutions on the site
nicely. Any suggestions?


Thanks,

Tatham Oddie
Technical Director, Fuel Advance
www.fueladvance.com


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Subject: RE: [WSG] Preventing scrolling

 


Tatham Oddie
   



 

Lots and lots of content which we never expect 
to fit in the box and we just want to be cut off.

However, we only want them to be able to see what
ould fit in the box. So, we need to stop them
from being able to click in the box and use their scroll
wheel. Another way they could see all the content is 
by selecting what they can see and dragging down.

What's the best way from stopping this from scrolling?
   



Am I the only one that thinks this sort of thing goes
directly against tenets of usability and accessibility?
I'm not sure about the context, but would it not be possible
to implement some word counting / limiting on the server
(assuming this is a template for a content management
system or similar)?

Patrick

Patrick H. Lauke
Webmaster / University of Salford
http://www.salford.ac.uk
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Re: [WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Stefan,

An interesting article. Thank you.

Roberto

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Stefan Lemmen wrote:


Hi Roberto,

On 6/21/05, Roberto Gorjão <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Hello all,

I would like to hide the styles of a site from I.E.5, so its pages
degrade gracefully (who ever invented this expression had a twisted
sense of humor) in this browser… I have a general styles sheet linked to
my pages, and I created another styles sheet, just for I.E.5, which I've
inserted in a conditional expression (if lte IE 5). In this last styles
sheet I reset all properties to 0, auto or inherited, using the wildcard
selector. Is there any other smarter way of hiding the styles from I.E.5 ?

Thanks.

Roberto

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Maybe this link is useful to you..

http://www.thesitewizard.com/css/excludecss.shtml

 


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[WSG] Hiding styles from IE5?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hello all,

I would like to hide the styles of a site from I.E.5, so its pages 
degrade gracefully (who ever invented this expression had a twisted 
sense of humor) in this browser… I have a general styles sheet linked to 
my pages, and I created another styles sheet, just for I.E.5, which I’ve 
inserted in a conditional expression (if lte IE 5). In this last styles 
sheet I reset all properties to 0, auto or inherited, using the wildcard 
selector. Is there any other smarter way of hiding the styles from I.E.5 ?


Thanks.

Roberto

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Re: [WSG] Preventing scrolling

[Roberto Gorjão]

I used once another div, with the same position and size, a greater 
z-index, no content and a background-color set to transparent.


Roberto

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Tatham Oddie wrote:


Hi everyone,

I currently have a problem something like this:

div
{
width: 200px;
height: 100%;
overflow: hidden;
}


Lots and lots of content which we never expect to fit in the
box
and we just want to be cut off. However, we only want them
to be
able to see what would fit in the box. So, we need to stop
them
from being able to click in the box and use their scroll
wheel.
Another way they could see all the content is by selecting
what
they can see and dragging down.


What's the best way from stopping this from scrolling?

- javascript?

- a nested div which contains the content, positioned with fixed positioning
so even if they scroll the outer div nothing actually changes visually
(would this work? I haven't tested it)

- something else?



Thanks,

Tatham Oddie
Technical Director, Fuel Advance
www.fueladvance.com



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Re: [WSG] CDATA

[Roberto Gorjão]

P.S.: I’m sorry… I was referring myself to style and script declarations 
like this one:



/*<![CDATA[*/
@import "CSS/mainStyles.css";
/*]]>*/


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Roberto Gorjão wrote:


Hello,


I know that CDATA was discussed just some days ago, but I'm still in 
doubt...

Is there the need to use it with the transitional XHTML DTD?
Does anybody know if it really functions when surrounded by comment 
tags? Because the W3C recommendation does not mention them.


Thank you.

Roberto

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[WSG] CDATA

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hello,


I know that CDATA was discussed just some days ago, but I'm still in 
doubt...

Is there the need to use it with the transitional XHTML DTD?
Does anybody know if it really functions when surrounded by comment 
tags? Because the W3C recommendation does not mention them.


Thank you.

Roberto

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Re: [WSG] PNG support

[Roberto Gorjão]

It was the first time I heard about the .htc behaviour. I looked for it 
on google and found a couple of pages with demos but… on my computer, it 
seems to work only with I.E.6. With IE5.5 the images just disappear… Is 
that correct?


I’m using Ryan Parman’s customized browsers files 
(http://www.quirksmode.org/index.html?/browsers/multipleie.html) to run 
multiple explorers in the same computer, and I’m not sure if the 
behaviour in IE5.5 has anything to do with it.


Thanks.

Roberto

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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:


Tom Livingston wrote:

Has any headway been made as far as hacks/filters go? I found the JS 
and PHP solutions... is that it?



The .htc behaviour for IE is probably the slickest way around if you 
want PNG24 support.


http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=htc+png


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Re: [WSG] Online screen viewer

[Roberto Gorjão]

Tee,

I'm not sure if it is another version of Lynx with a free installer that 
you are looking for... I used the one you can find here: 
http://csant.info/lynx.htm


Roberto

tee wrote:


Is there free online screen reader like Delorie Lynx Viewer available that
allows to test sites?

Delorie Lynx Viewer required user to have a delorie.html file in the server,
this is only good for my own project testing but sometimes I need to help
friends to test their sites.

Regards,

Tee

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[WSG] Encoding, charsets and entities...

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

I’m trying to understand the pros and cons of different charset 
encodings and I would like to know what your experience tells you about 
this subject, notably:


   * Unicode encoding (UTF-8) seems to be more efficient than ISO
 charsets (iso-8859-1): It covers all the languages in a single
 encoding; it’s universal (or at least getting to be); it’s
 compatible with ASCII; some argue even that it’s quicker… Are
 there any drawbacks? Does the fact that the characters Unicode may
 have different sizes affect string calculus with JavaScript?
 String lengths, character position retrieval and so on?
   * Where does the use of UTF leaves us regarding to entities? Some
 say that we don’t have to worry anymore with coding currency
 symbols or accented letters… Is that true? (I really did never pay
 much attention to this matter and get used to see Dreamweaver code
 automatically all accented letters that I insert in the design tab
 (that’s almost the only reason why I use the design tab nowadays…)
 but I think I would convert myself definitely to a much cheaper
 software if even this functionality turns out to be useless). And
 what about quotation marks and less than and greater than signs?
 They seem to validate all right when inserted directly on the code
 without any kind of special entities coding.
   * Which is the best way to declare it? I’ve noticed that
 webstandardsgroup.org page declares it only in the XML “prolog”
 and does not use any meta tag to do it as does for instance the
 Unicode.org page.

Thank you.

Roberto

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Re: SPAM: RE: [WSG] Site check with a problem and something new

[Roberto Gorjão]

Kim,

Is it possible to open the versions I mentioned with OS X? I don’t think 
so… I opened it in the 0S9 emulation provided by OSX… But, now, I’ve 
tried also an old ibook I have here, with only OS 9.2 and IE 5.1 and… I 
do not see absolutely nothing that qualifies as a "background painting 
bug" (or “"painted" with huge chunks of yellow blocks”). Your list menus 
seem exactly the same to me as  they appear on windows… even when we 
roll over them. I can not say the same about your navigation bar though, 
which move over your content layer, after clicked once, at 800x600px.


Just out of curiosity, what kind of “rapport” system are you using?

Roberto

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Hi Roberto,

Thanks. I guess you didn't open it OS9? So unless that's the case it 
should not be necessary. Thanks though :-)


Kim



I’ve opened your page in IE for Mac, versions 5.0 and 5.1.7 and it 
seems exactly equal to what I see in Firefox on Windows. Do you want 
me to send a printscreen to your email?


Roberto




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Re: SPAM: RE: [WSG] Site check with a problem and something new

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Kim,

I’ve opened your page in IE for Mac, versions 5.0 and 5.1.7 and it seems 
exactly equal to what I see in Firefox on Windows. Do you want me to 
send a printscreen to your email?


Roberto



Kim Kruse wrote:


Hi Josef,

Have you looked at the page? I'm using @import and I'm *only* having 
problems with one particular OS... Mac OS9 and IE5X! AFAIK the page 
looks fine on all other browser/OS.


Regarding the "hint". Isn't it so that if you put a "this page is best 
view or Update your browser... or worse OS then the page becomes 
inaccessible by definition. Right? The rapport I've got tells me that 
the background in the sidebar get "painted" with huge chunks of yellow 
blocks. It's not so you can't use the site... it just don't look 
right. If there is a cure I would love to hear about it. Otherwise 
I'll leave it and hope I don't get visitors with that OS/browser combo.


I'm sorry for the rather harsh reply but I think this is a list where 
accessibility plays a big role so I really don't understand these 
replys suggesting that I put a "sign" on my page.


Kim

Josef Dunne wrote:


Well of course I'd make the site degrade gracefully in IE on a Mac, id
use the @import reference so that older browsers would just render the
content, im all for web standards, but if you are having major problems
with IE on a Mac, which a lot of developers do have, then id say just
render the content and don't even let IE Mac render the CSS. Plus hint
to the user of that browser, that there are better modern browsers out
there. I mean at the end of the day, we want to all make accessible
websites. Don't we want our users to at least slowly progress to using
more modern browsers, so that we as developers can start to use more
modern code? Its not a crime to mention to the user that they could
benefit from upgrading their browsers. Be it IE6 (Win)/Firefox/Opera or
Safari. The web has to move forward, as does web standards, and a lot of
browsers aren't web standard. We don't want to be held back by older
browsers. Why do you think Apple ditched IE for Mac in their new OS?
Mainly because it was a pile of junk.

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Absolutely not, you should be making your site accessible to everyone


regardless of which browser/os they use and if you can't make it work,
make >sure it degrades gracefully.




Messages saying anything like that are entirely what web standards are


against.




Get FireBug? "Get ... Don't you dare tell me what browser to


use."



would be my answer and you'd lose a customer. It may be okay for blogs


and personal sites but many of us do real business websites and there
are >>>still people with old browsers that have money to spend or need
access to information (be it Government or any other information).




If we take your example above, why not tell everyone not using IE 6 on


Windows to go away and get the dominant browser/os?




The question was a perfectly legitimate one.






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Re: [WSG] Element Properties Cheat Sheet

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Cole,

As far as I know there is not, probably because browsers have different 
implementations of CSS properties. I think that best way to do it is to 
know the CSS properties and which elements they theoretically apply to… 
and then experiment.


Take your example - padding: 0; - for instance… Bottom line you should 
not have to set this kind of rule because the default for any element is 
no padding.


W3C specifications say that “Tables have content, padding, borders, and 
margins.” And “Internal table elements generate rectangular boxes with 
content and borders. Cells have padding as well. Internal table elements 
do not have margins.” (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/tables.html#q2)
So, tables and cells should have padding, and they do, but IE normally 
does not respect rules that cumulate table and cell padding definitions, 
as happens in the following example:




a
b


c
d



Anyway, the W3Schools CSS2 Reference alerted to this fact, so theirs is 
a good page to confirm eventual doubts: 
http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_padding.asp


I also think that this book is very useful: “Cascading Style Sheets 2.0, 
Programmer’s Reference” by Eric Meyer.


Roberto



Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:

Is there any guide or cheat sheet out there somewhere which gives the 
exact properties of each html element which CAN be 
altered/positioned/styled via CSS?

Like I've been putting:
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
on a default table rule set, but something I've just read "indicates" 
that tables don't have padding - so the padding rule for tables is 
useless. I've been doing the same for s, but something else I came 
across said that tr's don't have margin or padding properties.
I'm trying to streamline my stylesheets and would like to get rid of 
any superflous rules that don't apply - or have no effect on - 
specific elements.
The easiest way I can think of to do this would be to reference some 
kind of (easy to understand) document that says - or shows - that you 
can set the margin of a table, but not the padding, etc.

Cole


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[WSG] JavaScript and W3C DOM discussion groups?

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi,

I’m a newbie at this discussion group, but I’m loving it and I’ve 
already learned quite a lot just by reading it. It seems that JavaScript 
(or EcmaScript) and W3C DOM issues are somehow outside of this 
discussion’s group scope (judging by the mail list guidelines), which is 
a shame, from my point of view, as both are actual web standards today. 
Could anyone point to me any JavaScript discussion group that explores 
JavaScript having in sight the webstandards and the W3C DOM properties 
and methods?


Thank you.

Roberto Gorjão

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Re: Subject: DIVs and horizontal scroll -- WAS: RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment

[Roberto Gorjão]

So sorry about the receipt request! Please appologise for the 
inconvenience. It was my first post here...

I've turned it off!

Roberto

Chris Taylor wrote:


Hi,

Posted this with an incorrect subject first time, sorry about that. The
end of the week looms and my brain is starting to shut down.

I'm trying to get a very wide table to appear inside a DIV and scroll
horizontally, but not vertically. Take a look at
http://www.egton.net/yearview/index.html to see what I mean. What I
would like is for the calendar table to be horizontally scrollable
inside "Tapes due in - Year View" DIV. Eventually I'll be adding
additional information inside each days cell, so the DIV needs to be
able to resize vertically, yet not break in IE.

I've tried various permutations of max-width/max-height and overflow,
but nothing seems to work. If anyone can help I'd be more than grateful.

Thanks

Chris
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Re: Subject: DIVs and horizontal scroll -- WAS: RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment

[Roberto Gorjão]

Hi Chris,

Here's what you need:

#pane2
{
position:relative;
height:auto;   background-color: #FF;
margin: 0 1em 0 1em;
border: 1px solid #404040;
overflow:auto;
}

Hope that is useful!

Roberto

Chris Taylor wrote:


Hi,

Posted this with an incorrect subject first time, sorry about that. The
end of the week looms and my brain is starting to shut down.

I'm trying to get a very wide table to appear inside a DIV and scroll
horizontally, but not vertically. Take a look at
http://www.egton.net/yearview/index.html to see what I mean. What I
would like is for the calendar table to be horizontally scrollable
inside "Tapes due in - Year View" DIV. Eventually I'll be adding
additional information inside each days cell, so the DIV needs to be
able to resize vertically, yet not break in IE.

I've tried various permutations of max-width/max-height and overflow,
but nothing seems to work. If anyone can help I'd be more than grateful.

Thanks

Chris
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