[WSG] Button Woe
Hi,
In the following code, I've been unsuccessful aligning the submit
button flush with the top of the UA. Would some one correct the boggle.
Respectfully,
Chris
http://ckimedia.com
style type=text/css media=screen
body{
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background-color: #FFF;
color: #333;
font: 11px/1em Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
#container{
width: 800px;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 1px solid black;
}
#header{
background: url(i/bbc_logo_blk.gif) left top no-repeat;
height: 38px;
/*position: relative;
height: 36px; */
display: block !important;
display: none;
}
ul#specialInt {
list-style-type: none;
margin: 0 0 0 30em;
padding: 0;
}
ul#specialInt li {
border-right: 1px solid black;
padding: 0 1em 0 1em;
display: inline;
margin: 0;
float: left;
}
ul#specialInt li a:link, a:active{
text-decoration: none;
color: #C00;
}
ul#specialInt li a:hover, a:active {
text-decoration: underline;
color: #C00;
}
#searchForm{
margin-left: 2em;
padding: 0;
display: inline;
/* float: right;
display: inline;
border-left: 4px solid #FFF; */
}
#searchForm #submit{
padding: 0; !important; /* FOR COMPETENT BROWSERS */
padding: 0; /* IE PC */
margin: 0; !important; /* FOR COMPETENT BROWSERS */
margin-top: 0; /* IE PC */
float: right;
clear: both;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=container
div id=header
ul id=specialInt
lia href=#Contest/a/li
lia href=#Shows A-Z/a/li
/ul
form id=searchForm
label for=Search class=search
search
input id=search type=text name=search class=banner size=20
maxlength=30 /
input id=submit type=submit value=GO width=33 height=17
class=banner /
/form
/div
/div
/body
/html
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Hi, If this is off-topic, please reply directly. a client with an international market needs a site redesign. The currently use tables, but would like a transition to CSS. My concern is their market, an international base of travelers on various platforms with varying skill levels. I'm reluctant to do a full CSS redesign, fearing someone will try to access the site from a PDA while on foto safari in the outback. Would a well crafted, minimal table solution, i.e Designing With Web Standards, fit the bill; or is CSS 2 penetration enough to ensure seamless integration, as much as can be expected, for the diverse client base? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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[WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6
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Re: [WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6
Hi, Do you mean the white box where the flash doc should be? C On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 09:52 AM, Kim Kruse wrote: I'm not going to invalidate my pages with Macromedia's code however. ... that would probably have saved you from all the whitespace though :o) Kim Wasabi wrote: Hi, Yes it does work in Win2K, I've tested a couple of WSG award winning sites, they have the same issue, I've tested using the object method and writing dynamically with JS, no luck. I'm not going to invalidate my pages with Macromedia's code however. C On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Does it use features specific to Flash7, and Browser Cam only has 6? (as I don't use Browser Cam I'm not sure if that last bit actually applies, but thought I'd throw that in as a potential cause) Work for me anyway on Win2k/Moz1.6/Flash7 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Wasabi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2004 15:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6 Hi, My site's FLASH document is not displaying in Windows XP Mozilla 1.6 as viewed at Browser Cam. Any suggestions why this is occuring. Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Med venlig hilsen Mouseriders.dk Kim K Jonsson --- - Denne e-mail kan indeholde materiale der kun er beregnet for adressaten. Indeholdet må ikke udleveres eller kopieres til noget medie. Har du ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne e-mail, beder vi dig meddele os det og destruere e-mailen. This e-mail may contain material only meant for the recipient. The content may not be transferred og copied to any other media. Have you received this e-mail by mistake we kindly ask you to inform us and delete this e-amil from your reccords. --- - ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6
Hi, Ha, Ha home some coffee will Ya. Have a good one your humor lightened my somber mood. W On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 11:06 AM, Kim Kruse wrote: No... I meant between the p tags. (I was only trying to be funny... not very successfully though. End of story from my end) Kim Wasabi wrote: Hi, Do you mean the white box where the flash doc should be? C On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 09:52 AM, Kim Kruse wrote: I'm not going to invalidate my pages with Macromedia's code however. ... that would probably have saved you from all the whitespace though :o) Kim Wasabi wrote: Hi, Yes it does work in Win2K, I've tested a couple of WSG award winning sites, they have the same issue, I've tested using the object method and writing dynamically with JS, no luck. I'm not going to invalidate my pages with Macromedia's code however. C On Monday, August 23, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Does it use features specific to Flash7, and Browser Cam only has 6? (as I don't use Browser Cam I'm not sure if that last bit actually applies, but thought I'd throw that in as a potential cause) Work for me anyway on Win2k/Moz1.6/Flash7 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Wasabi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2004 15:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6 Hi, My site's FLASH document is not displaying in Windows XP Mozilla 1.6 as viewed at Browser Cam. Any suggestions why this is occuring. Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Med venlig hilsen Mouseriders.dk Kim K Jonsson - -- - Denne e-mail kan indeholde materiale der kun er beregnet for adressaten. Indeholdet må ikke udleveres eller kopieres til noget medie. Har du ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne e-mail, beder vi dig meddele os det og destruere e-mailen. This e-mail may contain material only meant for the recipient. The content may not be transferred og copied to any other media. Have you received this e-mail by mistake we kindly ask you to inform us and delete this e-amil from your reccords. - -- - ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Med venlig hilsen Mouseriders.dk Kim K Jonsson --- - Denne e-mail kan indeholde materiale der kun er beregnet for adressaten. Indeholdet må ikke udleveres eller kopieres til noget medie. Har du ved en fejltagelse modtaget denne e-mail, beder vi dig meddele os det og destruere e-mailen
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Re: [WSG] Valid Flash state of play
Hi Try writing the necessary, but bloated flash code dynamically from a linked JS file as a function. Then call the function within the document. Safe, reliable and valid. C On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, at 05:20 PM, David McKinnon wrote: Does anyone know if anyone has managed to produce a valid and reliable way to embed Flash objects yet? I'm noting Nick Gleitzman's reply to Seona Bellamy yesterday [RE: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?] suggesting Flash Satay at A List Apart. My understanding is that the safest way is still to use Macromedia's invalid default method: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/tn4150.html This is taking into account Jeffrey Zeldman's comments in Designing With Web Standards about Drew McLellan's Flash Satay method http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ And noting Mark Lynch's comments on Flashvars using either the Satay meithod or Ian Hixie's http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1 Anyone know any better? David McKinnon www.alucida.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG]
Hi, Any good on-line tutorials for RSS ? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG]RSS
On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, at 08:46 AM, Jay Hills wrote: Hi, Would like beginning tutorials, putting together a blog for a fiction writer, and need to learn my chops with RSS. W Some more info on that perhaps? What kind of tutorials are you looking for? Jay - Original Message - From: Wasabi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [WSG] Hi, Any good on-line tutorials for RSS ? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid Flash state of play
Hi, This is for embedding quicktime, but it may put you on to something. http://realdev1.realise.com/rossa/rendertest/quicktime.html And flash doesn't work with plug-in's and this doesn't work, without that.. Six in one hand half-dozen in the other. The aforementioned method may be slight of hand, but I've yet to encounter a situation where it has failed. Several large FLASH/XHTML/CSS firms use this method, so until I can find a concrete solution, I'll have to go with it. Thanks for your insight, it did inspire me to keep looking for a more tangible solution. W On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, at 07:47 AM, Dan Webb wrote: Try writing the necessary, but bloated flash code dynamically from a linked JS file as a function. Then call the function within the document. Safe, reliable and valid. ...and it doesn't work without JavaScript enabled. Also, in reality that's just tricking the validator and still supplying invalid code to the browser. I'd avoid that method if I were you. Personally, I like the version using IE conditional comments. It does require some repetition but its solid. Far from perfect though I have to say. I've done a load of experimentation on this subject and as yet have got nowhere. It really is a massive pain in the a*se... Im not sure of the link to the article explaining the conditional IE comments and haven't got time to root it out at the moment but Im sure one of friendly list dudes will know it... Cheers, -- Dan Webb Web Developer and Internet Consultant www.danwebb.net 07957 234544 39 Roseberry Gardens, London, N8 8SH ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG]RSS
Hi, Thanks so much, just what I'm looking for ! W On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, at 04:19 PM, Neerav wrote: wordpress - http://www.wordpress.org blog package with rss feeds http://www.mnot.net/rss/tutorial/ - rss tutorial http://www.bhatt.id.au/article/1/ - generating rss with php mysql -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Wasabi wrote: On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, at 08:46 AM, Jay Hills wrote: Hi, Would like beginning tutorials, putting together a blog for a fiction writer, and need to learn my chops with RSS. W Some more info on that perhaps? What kind of tutorials are you looking for? Jay - Original Message - From: Wasabi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [WSG] Hi, Any good on-line tutorials for RSS ? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Form labels
Hi, After completing a form with labels, as suggested in a usability guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of the text fields would populate until I removed the labels from them. Could some one point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels. C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Form labels
Hi, My apologize to firefox, after looking at the examples illustrated in the replies, the fault is my own, I'll rework my form to my initial specifications following the suggested reading. Once again my apologize to firefox, It is an excellent browser. W On Monday, August 16, 2004, at 06:55 AM, Cameron Adams wrote: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/ --- Wasabi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, After completing a form with labels, as suggested in a usability guideline I noticed firefox choked on them. None of the text fields would populate until I removed the labels from them. Could some one point me to a specification on proper implementation of labels. C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Critique
Hi, After all of my inquiries, here are the goods or your review. http://ckimedia.com Please offer scorn and praise as warranted. Complexity is good, complicated is bad. Paolo Soleri Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Hi, I don't understand, please elaborate. C On Sunday, August 15, 2004, at 03:14 PM, ailingwebss wrote: Hey, Wasabi and Chris Stratford I think make the 600*480 too much longer, but I like the idea about use the old pictures and the flash. also the color. keep on ailing - Original Message - From: Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Critique Hey Wasabi, Well, the layout is tight - I guess your trying to make it a fixed width layout that will work in a 600*480... Which Personally - I think is Overkill re: support... Anyone with that low resolution will be very used to their friend the horizontal scroll bar. The tabs look a lot like www.experts-exchange.com just not blue... Personally - I think the logo could be more - especially when below the fold there are a lot of images. the title is kind of drowned out and looks forgotten. The layout does look craped. It ends up being very empty at the top... and then all of a sudden a huge block of text, in a tiny box in the middle... then lots of empty room below again. Also your CSS doesnt validate 100%... you need a default font or two (serif/san-serif)... love the old pictures and the diner look. hope my response can help you. :) great job! - Chris Stratford Wasabi wrote: Hi, After all of my inquiries, here are the goods or your review. http://ckimedia.com Please offer scorn and praise as warranted. Complexity is good, complicated is bad. Paolo Soleri Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Hi, You bet I hang at the validation sites like the coffee bar. Cleared up the font issue, the remaining warnings are on the necessary hacks. C On Sunday, August 15, 2004, at 06:40 PM, Jim Barricks wrote: Hey Wasabi, Just go to http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ to validate your CSS. The site will give you any errors on your site to correct. Best, Jim * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Barricks Insurance Services 800-211-9584 508 Main Street CA License #0383850 El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.barricksinsurance.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * - Original Message - From: Wasabi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:19 am Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Critique Hi, Do you mean cramped? Thanks for your insight, I'm in bit of a boggle with the CSS validation issue, can you elaborate? C On Sunday, August 15, 2004, at 02:05 PM, Chris Stratford wrote: The layout does look craped. It ends up being very empty at the top... and then all of a sudden a huge block of text, in a tiny box in the middle... then lots of empty room below again. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Barricks Insurance Services 800-211-9584 508 Main Street CA License #0383850 El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.barricksinsurance.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Are wireframes necessary when using web standards?
Hi, Perhaps wireframes make more sense if you think of them as blueprints, or perhaps a sketch in the design process. I often use pencil sketches complete with color void of content when laying out a new site. I also use this approach with colored div's with just a text description of intended content, following the advice of Russ Weakley, when laying out a css design. W On Friday, August 6, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Beau Lebens wrote: Nancy, Wireframe more often is used to refer to outlined page designs. I.e. a very rough idea of what a page design will look like, normally just black outline boxes, no colour, no real text, no nothing :) They are a way to start visualising the design of a page and how all the elements will fit together, but are by no means a final design. HTH Beau // -Original Message- // From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson // Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:37 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: RE: [WSG] Are wireframes necessary when using web standards? // // // Showing my ignorance: // // Don't wireframes show flow only? Like the map view in // Dreamweaver? Or is it an actual possible design one creates // often in Photoshop, though this article indicated Freehand. // // Nancy // // -Original Message- // From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Budd // Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:19 AM // To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Subject: Re: [WSG] Are wireframes necessary when using web standards? // // Ian Fenn wrote: // // My client wanted something to show internal stakeholders // so I started // doing a few wireframes but suddenly wondered, Why am I // doing this? // Why don't I just build the website using web standards? // // A day later I finished a working prototype of the website // in question. // // The client is happy but another producer has been quite // vocal with his // // opinion that the prototype was built too early. // // From my perspective, a prototype has more value than // wireframes. Web // standards make development much more rapid, so we can // respond quickly // to any other needs thrown up before going into production. // // What do you think? // // Here's my take. // // I think wireframes are a great first step in developing a // site with a // complex user flow. I'll often literally just sketch them on // paper. They // take no time at all and are very easy to change. Because they are // rough, people don't get too attached to them as well, which // is a bonus. // // If I'm creating slightly more polished wireframes I'll do them in // Freehand. I've all the widgets and templates created, so I // can knock a // batch of wireframes up very quickly. I can annotate them myself with // instructions or print them out and have people scribble on them with // suggestions. All very useful. // // I can then hand them over to the client and they can sign // each one off. // This forces the client to understand and take responsibility // for each // wireframe and the signed off wireframes become part of our project // spec. // // HTML prototypes can be extremely useful as they give you and // the client // a real understanding of the user flow. It's fine looking through a // batch of wireframes, but nothing gives you the feel of a // website like, // er, a website. // // However I think you have to be a particularly gifted developer to be // able to knock up a half descent HTML template in anything // near the time // it takes to create one in Freehand (or the graphics package of your // choice). // // Also for the HTML template to be as flexible as it's paper // equivalent // you really do need some mechanism for adding // notes/instructions (like a // div that you can toggle on and off) and allowing the client // to comment // and sign them off. Obviously as they are HTML there is no // way you can // really include them in your spec. // // The other big issue is that people get very protective of // their 'code'. // I could see it being very tempting not to change something on a // wireframe because it's a 'hassle' rather than for any strategic // reasons. also their is the temptation to try and cut corners // and turn // your prototype into the real thing. Never a good idea in my // book, as, // by definition, a prototype is a rough, rushed version of what you // actually want to build. // // My position them would be to always wireframe and to build // prototypes // when you have the time/budget. // // Andy Budd // // http://www.message.uk.com/ // // ** // The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ // // Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ // Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge // To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 // // See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm // for some hints on posting to the list getting help //
[WSG] SerioNav
Hi, Any tutorials on creating the type of navigation found at this URL: http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/ C * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] SerioNav
Hi, Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found @ seriocomic.com? C * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] SerioNav
Hi, Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found at seriocomic.com ? C * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] SerioNav[Pardon the Double Post]
Hi, Thanks for the link, sorry for the double-post, my ISP is returning and send messages at the same time. Time for a change. C On Friday, July 30, 2004, at 01:57 PM, Nikita Kashner wrote: I know he has a tutorial for his sidebar - http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/posts/2004/04/27/the-one-about-the- collapsable-sidebar/ - but I'm not sure about the main navigation. Nikita http://kitta.net Wasabi wrote: Hi, Any idea where I can find a tutorial for creating the navigation found @ seriocomic.com? C * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
