RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-07-01 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> As a follow-up to my original email, the following methods have been > very well designed from the accessibility point of view: > > http://juicystudio.com/article/ecmascriptmenu.php > > http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200705/accessible_expanding_and_c > o > llapsing_menu/ > > > A furthe

FW: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-30 Thread Grant Bailey
As a follow-up to my original email, the following methods have been very well designed from the accessibility point of view: http://juicystudio.com/article/ecmascriptmenu.php http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200705/accessible_expanding_and_co llapsing_menu/ A further example worth conside

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-30 Thread Foskett, Mike
g CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) Hi Mike, > Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp > > Only fires, via keyboard, on "Articles E-K" in IEv8 or Firefox.

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Mathew, >> http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp > > I have a bug report... tested against FF 3.6.4 and IE6 (no bug under Chrome 5.0.376) > > Steps to reproduce: > - click on background > - tab to focus first menu item > - hit enter to display sub-items > - tab th

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Mathew Robertson
> > > Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: > > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp > > > > Only fires, via keyboard, on "Articles E-K" in IEv8 or Firefox. > > This is by design. Keyboard users could not reach these pages if they were > not focusable

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Mike, > Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: > http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp > > Only fires, via keyboard, on "Articles E-K" in IEv8 or Firefox. This is by design. Keyboard users could not reach these pages if they were not focusable at l

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Foskett, Mike
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: 29 June 2010 16:22 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) > Try this for CSS menus with keyboard support: > http://carroll.org.uk/sandbox/suckerfish/b

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> Try this for CSS menus with keyboard support: > http://carroll.org.uk/sandbox/suckerfish/bones2.html This menu may be "accessible", but is it usable? Unless I am missing something, keyboard users need to go through *every single link* in the menu to reach the last item :-( I have these two: ht

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread de...@littlegent.com
It seems I should have added my standard disclaimer that I don't personally use code that requires a browser hack to work, even if it was on a site I recommended. =) Whenever I have gone there for inspiration, I have had to modify the code/css to suit my requirements. I assume that's normal

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread daniel a. thornbury
I used to use cssplay menus 6+ years ago but they're not the friendliest or most compliant to work with. I really like superfish - i've been using that for a few years with no problems at all. and I find it very easy to customise. http://users.tpg.com.au/j_birch/plugins/superfish/ I haven't

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Rob Crowther
David Dorward wrote: * Can't respond to navigation without a pointer (e.g. keyboard tabbing, or a breath switch) But adding :focus as well as :hover is easy enough. * Can't have any 'fuzz factor' around the pointer position and timing of when a menu goes away But you can have the basic m

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread John Stericker
PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) On 29 Jun 2010, at 11:04, de...@littlegent.com wrote: > I'd recommend using one from http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ > > The trick is deciding which

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread David Dorward
On 29 Jun 2010, at 11:04, de...@littlegent.com wrote: > I'd recommend using one from http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ > > The trick is deciding which one to use, really. =) Having taken a quick look, I'd run a mile from them. The first one I looked at was missing and pointed me somewhere else

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread de...@littlegent.com
I'd recommend using one from http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ The trick is deciding which one to use, really. =) HTH, -Delos On Jun 29, 2010, at 4:23 AM, Web Dandy wrote: Hi everyone, Can everyone suggest which CSS/JS horizontal and vertical drop down navigation they would recommend? Than

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-29 Thread Grant Bailey
Thank you to everyone who replied to my email. Kind regards, Grant Bailey -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 10:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Web Dandy
945798743> www.facebook.com/pages/Web-Dandy/171945798743 _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 29 June 2010 07:15 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Exp

Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-28 Thread David Dorward
On 29 Jun 2010, at 00:30, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: > I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Trying to shoehorn functionality (which is what JS was designed for) into CSS (which is designed for presentation, not logic) is not good for accessibilit

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Ted Drake
: RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hi Grant, > I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usab

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Grant, > I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usability issues. -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi Grant, You're meaning the sort of tree-menu arrangements that have a little plus next to items with children, and clicking the plus makes the children appear and push the other elements further down, right? I don't believe what you're looking for is possible, as that sort of hierarchical menu

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Sam Dwyer
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 9:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Josh Godsiff
If you're talking about a tree-like menu, I've never come across a purely CSS one. It strikes me that CSS alone doesn't have the vocabulary to deal with something that requires an 'expanded' and 'collapsed' state. If you're worried about accessibility, either * expand it all by default, and

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Stephane Blanchard
Hi Grant, Maybe this can help: http://free-css-menu.com/vertical-css-menu.html SteF. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, wrote: > > Hello, > > I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing > as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the > expa

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Jelina Korhecz
Hi Grant, I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but this might help: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns Unfortunately, this does require some javascript as IE doesn't support a few CSS elements. Cheers, Jelina On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, wrote: > > Hello, > > I wou

[WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread grant_malcolm_bailey
Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to avoi