Re: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
I don't know about you guys, but Word Documents, Bookmarks and URI namespace rules takes a lot of space on this list now, and I'm drowning.. Could we all please be a little more brief when discussion thos (OT) issues, ok? TIA, /Anton -- What your body lacks, your head compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
With all due respect Gary... http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html (look for I didn't think URLs have to be persistent - that was URNs) I think that document just highlights how inefficient the current conventions are for ensuring a piece of information will always be accessible. I think it also indicates that the most useful and reliable URI is one that identifies the document in space and time. Referring back to Taco's original comment about URL's.. this would not really make for a memorable URL (as it would tend to be mostly made up of date/time information). The article even says that date/time is a good place to start for creating URI's. The opening sentences in that document says: There are no reasons at all in theory for people to change URIs (or stop maintaining documents), but millions of reasons in practice. The process is so subjective and every different organisation has it's own rules on what it will and wont do with URI's (which include both URL's and URN's). Saying that Apache as a web server has ways and means to mask all of this is fine. Except so many webmasters out there don't even know what their web server can actually do - or they are hamstrung by internal policies that dont allow them to use the server effectively. Again I quote from the article: A lot of people don't know that servers such as Apache give you a lot of control over a flexible relationship between the URI of an object and where a file which represents it actually is in a file system. So - in terms of this list and standards. there are some standards out there about what these things are - but a lot of imagination about how they are are actually being used. That being the case, then surely therein is the argument for coming up with a better approach. I brought up URN's because they are not used very much. Tim clearly states in the section you mentioned that what people should do is build a database of URN's that map to the underlying file system. Make a database which maps document URN to current filename, and let the web server use that to actually retrieve files. And he also states that the tools for doing the above really aren't mature enough at the moment. See the section entitled: We would like to but we just dont have the right tools. And I think you will see exactly where my argument was coming from. So - I tend to think I am pretty much in agreement with what is being said there. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
For myself, only rarely. I still think it's nice to have a URL that can sort of be read I suppose the place I am coming from on this is that... URL's change Many sites are updated regularly and things move around. There is no gaurantee that something you bookmark (or remember) today will be in the same place tomorrow. That's why I use a search engine before I rely on bookmarks. I maybe have about 4 bookmarks. For the rest I either user my browsers History list or the funky typeahead thing in the address bar. Even so, I usually go to the domain and not a specific page. I say. Bring on URN's (Uniform Resource Names) and a whole new industry to manage them and employ all the software engineers in the task !!! Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
URL's change With all due respect Gary... http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html (look for I didn't think URLs have to be persistent - that was URNs) Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
Not to miss the blessing of tabbed browsing where I can bookmark a group of tabs, then open the tabs all in one go. I think the browsers that do this are Mozilla and Safari - not sure about Opera 6/7. Cheers James Mark Stanton wrote: Yes my firebird links toolbar looks like: - AClientName - a few links to tools relating to a client's stuff - Surf - links to various surf weather reports - Boards - various discussion boards - To Read - when I see something I want to come back to it goes here - Favelets - all those validators things - Banking - various online banking apps - Intranet Apps - Our intranet app - Bugzilla - CVSMonitor - Webmin - Useful Tools - Google Sets - lipsum.com I use a heaps of these everyday. Don't know what I would do without folders in the links toolbar. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?
Yes my firebird links toolbar looks like: - AClientName - a few links to tools relating to a client's stuff - Surf - links to various surf weather reports - Boards - various discussion boards - To Read - when I see something I want to come back to it goes here - Favelets - all those validators things - Banking - various online banking apps - Intranet Apps - Our intranet app - Bugzilla - CVSMonitor - Webmin - Useful Tools - Google Sets - lipsum.com I use a heaps of these everyday. Don't know what I would do without folders in the links toolbar. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
