Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-27 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/22/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried outlook 2007 Lately? the way it reads/displays html has been THE issue ever since it was released. No. I'd assumed it displayed the same as OE6 or

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-23 Thread Keryx Web
To everybody who has answered me in this thread: 1. I do realize that it is impossible to use perfect markup today, mainly because of the ghastly Outlook 2007. (A product I am boycotting BTW - but tell the to the mobile phone manufacturers. It syncs with Outlook is the ubiquitous sales

RE: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Mohamed Jama
Although it's quite annoying but it does make some sense at some weird level, having IE as their rendering engine with its shambled security it was easy for a lot of spammers and hackers to inflect a lot of damage on less experienced web users. I actually think it was quite a good idea although

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Pruim
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread 8bits Media
It would seem odd if Apple went down the same path as Microsoft, especially since using Word to render HTML/CSS in Outlook 2007 was so well received by the web development community! I'm sure they won't want to be accused of following Microsoft. Also, I have a feeling they wouldn't have

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates for the mail app. Here is my

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates standards based, in which case,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that.

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Apologies- I didn't mean my original post as a direct response to patrick, merely a response to the thread. On 10/23/07, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that. Sorry,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Al Sparber
From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, had to go back and re-read the thread starter. In rushing through my mail, I thought the question was more along the lines of will it support our carefully crafted HTML/CSS emails, but I see now that it specifically concerned the shipped

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Al Sparber wrote: The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with what it generates, rather than what it can read/display. Haven't had a chance to play with the final product, but from what I remember it is indeed a fundamental problem with its display capabilities. From

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
I'm not entirely sure. The HTML/plain text announcements we send out are standards-based with one exception - we embed the CSS in the body section. These mails display perfectly in Outlook, OE, Windows Mail, Apple Mail, and Thunderbird. The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/22/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried outlook 2007 Lately? the way it reads/displays html has been THE issue ever since it was released. No. I'd assumed it displayed the same as OE6 or Windows Mail (Vista). A.. it