Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Kris Khaira
Mobile phone issues can be solved by serving separate stylesheets for handheld browsers. It's best to not specify the minimum nor the maximum width of a layout in handheld media stylesheets. -- Kris Khaira Website: http://kriskhaira.com On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Chris Velevitch wrote: W

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Francesco Sanfilippo
I would guess that unless one is aware that mobile phones are a significant population (over a few percent), one could simply detect mobiles and serve them an unstyled page, rendering plain text? This would fit into any browser width if done correctly. Francesco On 8/3/05, Chris Velevitch <[EM

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Chris Velevitch
What about mobile phones? Isn't anyone taking them into consideration? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Francesco Sanfilippo
I'd have to agree with that. Our studies also show maximized browsing for over 90% when users are working at 1280x1024 or below. -- Francesco Sanfilippo Web Architect and Software Developer http://www.blackcoil.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Professional web developer and Internet consultant with 10 yea

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:27:08 +0100, Stevio wrote: > Don't forget however, just because a user has their resolution at 800 > by 600 it doesn't mean they view at that size. They might have the > browser window smaller than the maximum screen size, or they could > have any one of multiple sidebars t

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread heretic
> What sizes are you designing for? For the sites I work on, the majority of the audience has 1024x768 *or better*, but a significant amount (10-25% depending on the site) still have 800x600. So we design "for" 1024x768, but designs have to remain usable/functional at 800x600 without horizontal sc

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread john
There's a philosophy you can adopt of designing with 640x480 in *mind* but which doesn't necessarily meaning designing *for* it. We had a note in our guidelines to the effect that the main content, headline, breadcrumb nav etc should be within the 640x480 area, even if the page itself is much

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:58:32 +1000, Michael Kear wrote: > > Is that what you are all doing nowdays?   What sizes are you > designing for? > Personally, I design for the minimum width I can achieve, since I see students at a computer lab I attend switching their monitors to 800 x 600 and NOT maximizi

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Kear wrote: For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if lines have wrapped horribly or tabs and boxes have dropped down to a new line, I'm not going to worry. Is that what you are all doing

RE: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Peter Goddard
August 2005 14:34 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480? On 3 Aug 2005, at 8:58 pm, Michael Kear wrote: > For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 > or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if > lines

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 3 Aug 2005, at 8:58 pm, Michael Kear wrote: For example, I usually design pages that work well in screens 800x600 or larger but in smaller screens, everything will be there but if lines have wrapped horribly or tabs and boxes have dropped down to a new line, I'm not going to worry. Is t

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Stevio
left hand size (search, history, favourites, etc).   Stephen - Original Message - From: David Pietersen To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480? Visitors to my State Governmen

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Stevio
ject: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480? Yes, I know a good design will scale for any size screen (resolution if you prefer that term)  but most designers I know pick a minimum size and work out their designs with this as a normal minimum.  Any smaller sizes they just mak

Re: [WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread David Pietersen
Visitors to my State Government site are almost divided exactly in half between 800x600 and 1024x768, based on around 30,000 unique visits per day, and we actually provide 2 versions of our site through testing the res before we render the HTML.   There is a growing percentage of those with 1280x1

[WSG] Does anyone still design for 640x480?

2005-08-03 Thread Michael Kear
Yes, I know a good design will scale for any size screen (resolution if you prefer that term)  but most designers I know pick a minimum size and work out their designs with this as a normal minimum.  Any smaller sizes they just make the site work but not fret if things are not perfectly ali