Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-20 Thread Felix Miata
Lothar B. Baier wrote on Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:47:16 +0100: > But is it my fault, that dell or hp ore other produce laptops, which > screensize and screen resolution are set to a default which makes it > impossible to read a text easy? One size cannot fit all. With defaults come a means to change

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-20 Thread Felix Miata
designer wrote on Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:28:45 -: > When you buy wallpaper, how on earth do you manage to change the default > size of the pattern? I don't. If I don't like it, I don't buy it. > Also, when you buy someone a coffee table book, say, of > great art works, do you buy them seven cop

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-20 Thread Felix Miata
Lothar B. Baier wrote on Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:06:50 +0100: > Somebody buys a laptop with a 14 inch screen and puts it 1400 by 1050 > pixel screenresolution. Then he complains, that all of the text ist to > small to read. That reminds me of the man, who choose a two-seated > spider car because he l

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-19 Thread Peter Firminger
Be nice Iain! Final warning. Peter > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iain Harrison > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:53 PM > To: Lothar B. Baier > Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Font size and arrogance > > He

[WSG] Font size and arrogance - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2004-11-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
> I don't think you understand the issue of accessibility at all. In > many countries, laws have been needed to force people like you to > catch up. THREAD CLOSED I have been watching this thread for a while, concerned that it would move from healthy discussion into abuse. It has. This list is

Re[2]: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-19 Thread Iain Harrison
Hello Lothar, Thursday, November 18, 2004, 8:06:50 PM, you wrote: > On every computer I know, it is possible to > reduce the screenresolution to get bigger text to the screen. You've never used an LCD screen that only works well at one resolution? You've never used a PDA? I don't think you und

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread matt andrews
here's some reading you might find useful: The Dao of Web Design http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dao/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting t

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance | accessibility in general I say

2004-11-18 Thread Terrence Wood
also look here: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/ On 2004-11-19 1:02 PM, Ben Curtis wrote: This has been an interesting, if heated, thread. I think a large part of it revolves around being unable to measure people's default font size. The "arrogance" vs. "idealist" porti

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance | accessibility in general I say

2004-11-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Actually, Felix has some interesting studies on his site about font size, pixel, resolution relationships: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ And I couldn't agree more with you about stuff we design today probably not working tomorrowbut y'know, thankfully seperating content and presentati

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance | accessibility in general I say

2004-11-18 Thread Ben Curtis
hardware designers to not set the default resolution of a screen to what is technicaly possible but to just something, which is compatible with human eyesight. What size, a pixel? Engineers have created full-color screens, 400 pixels square, which are smaller than a dime. Certainly setting a moni

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer
> But is it my fault, that dell or hp ore other produce laptops, which > screensize and screen resolution are set to a default which makes it > impossible to read a text easy? Is it my fault, that the designers of > browsers after about 10 years of webstandards are not able to produce > browser

RE: [WSG] Font size and arrogance | accessibility in general I say

2004-11-18 Thread Hill, Tim
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lothar B. Baier Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 8:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance Hi! Patrick and Andreas, you both are right on one hand. But on the other one it's not so simple. My goal is surel

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Gary Menzel
One comment... > which can be use by everybody As long as you do that - there wont be any problems. If the user is an idiot - and they configure their machine in a stupid way - that's no-one's fault except the user. Gary ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Lothar B. Baier
Hi! Patrick and Andreas, you both are right on one hand. But on the other one it's not so simple. My goal is surely to produce websites, which can be use by everybody and please their eyes. But is it my fault, that dell or hp ore other produce laptops, which screensize and screen resolution are

RE: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
> -Original Message- > From: Lothar B. Baier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 7:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance > I design all my websites on a > computer with the screenresolution set appropria

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Lothar B. Baier wrote: > I design all my websites on a computer with the screenresolution set appropriate to the size of the screen I use. If the user does the same, he will be able to read, what is written there. If not, it's not my fault. It's just a shame not everybody is like you then, isn't

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
designer wrote: When you buy wallpaper, how on earth do you manage to change the default size of the pattern? Also, when you buy someone a coffee table book, say, of great art works, do you buy them seven copies, each with a different size type/layout and ask them which one they want? You are talk

Re: [WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread Lothar B. Baier
Hi, everybody! I am reading the list for quite some time, so first of all a big thank to all of you who share their knowledge and tricks with fools like me. Regarding to the font size discussion I feel I have to give my first input to the list: Somebody buys a laptop with a 14 inch screen and p

[WSG] Font size and arrogance

2004-11-18 Thread designer
Felix (and anyone else), When you buy wallpaper, how on earth do you manage to change the default size of the pattern? Also, when you buy someone a coffee table book, say, of great art works, do you buy them seven copies, each with a different size type/layout and ask them which one they want? Whe