Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
Hi, Your solution is greatly appreciated. When time permits, would you elaborate on your solution, explaining in detail why your changes are so admirably stable? Also, do you have a compliment of browsers, or using Browsercam.com? Respectfully, CK On Nov 23, 2007, at 12:52 PM, David Laakso wrote: CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK I regret the page is not performing as you intend in IE6 and IE7 and has a little difficulty in all browsers with font-scaling. FWIW, a structurally different version is here: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html Cursory tested at text-size largest in IE6 IE7; and, at +3 in compliant browsers. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
CK wrote: Your solution is greatly appreciated. When time permits, would you elaborate on your solution, explaining in detail why your changes are so admirably stable? Also, do you have a compliment of browsers, or using Browsercam.com? CK http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK RE: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html *Reload your browser.* Please note that a couple of positioning errors on my file have been corrected, and that the drop-down menu is now functional in IE6 and IE7. The layout relies only on floats. Negative-margin layouts[1], and spins on them, tend to be more stable and work well cross-browser. I work on a mac os x 10.4.11 with xp ie6 and ie7 on parallels desktop. Browsercam provides a static capture. It is not reliable for testing real functionality. While lean code is a noble goal, stability and cross-browser concerns are of primary concern. The same /may/ be done with less. I'll leave it to you and others on the list to try and achieve that. HTH. Best, ~dL [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
David, Sincere thanks again, standards is not easy, but worth the effort. Having this list is a great educational experience. Also the (Whatever:hover is free software) is a welcomed addition. CK On Nov 24, 2007, at 10:52 AM, David Laakso wrote: CK wrote: Your solution is greatly appreciated. When time permits, would you elaborate on your solution, explaining in detail why your changes are so admirably stable? Also, do you have a compliment of browsers, or using Browsercam.com? CK http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK RE: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html *Reload your browser.* Please note that a couple of positioning errors on my file have been corrected, and that the drop-down menu is now functional in IE6 and IE7. The layout relies only on floats. Negative-margin layouts[1], and spins on them, tend to be more stable and work well cross-browser. I work on a mac os x 10.4.11 with xp ie6 and ie7 on parallels desktop. Browsercam provides a static capture. It is not reliable for testing real functionality. While lean code is a noble goal, stability and cross-browser concerns are of primary concern. The same /may/ be done with less. I'll leave it to you and others on the list to try and achieve that. HTH. Best, ~dL [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK I regret the page is not performing as you intend in IE6 and IE7 and has a little difficulty in all browsers with font-scaling. FWIW, a structurally different version is here: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html Cursory tested at text-size largest in IE6 IE7; and, at +3 in compliant browsers. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Template Review
Hi All, I humbly come on this American holiday, for a template review. The object was to accomplish the layout with a minimum of div's. Given the number of floats and the design requirements of having the mainnav rest along the baseline of the image, I'm a little squeamish about the results in ie6 and 7, as the baseline alignment uses negative margins. Firefox 2.0.0.9 Mac Safari 3.0.4 Mac Both return the desired results: http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/capture.png Should this pursuit of floats prove tedious, please offer advisement on a more stable solution. Happy Holidays, CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? At 4/29/2007 09:12 PM, CK wrote: For Show/Hide Dom Switching I strongly suggest you 1) mark up the DTs as hyperlinks that reload the page with the selected item expanded, then 2) add javascript that converts the links to show/hide DOM switches That way the page will function correctly whether javascript is enabled or not, and when javascript is enabled it will work faster more smoothly. Everybody wins. [Google 'progressive enhancement'] See this http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php The method you're using to present the definition list in two columns is to split the markup into two lists. However, I believe it's really just one list, so you're changing the markup in a way that misrepresents the semantics of the page purely for presentational purposes. You can accomplish the dual-column list in CSS by moving the first DT in column 2 back up the page with a negative margin-top, then shifting all the items in column 2 over with a postive margin-left. This technique is illustrated in example 6 in my A List Apart article http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/. It does require that the height of column 1 is predictable if you're using static CSS or calculable if you're generating your CSS on the fly. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
I strongly suggest you 1) mark up the DTs as hyperlinks that reload the page with the selected item expanded, then 2) add javascript that converts the links to show/hide DOM switches That way the page will function correctly whether javascript is enabled or not, and when javascript is enabled it will work faster more smoothly. Everybody wins. [Google 'progressive enhancement'] didn't realise there was a name for this kind of thing! I would never make something rely totally on javascript (or anything other than html) to see text content... but will use javascript to enhance the user experience if it is available. I guess lynx (the text-only browser) was always my base-level test if I can't use a site in lynx it isn't accessible enough! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
CK wrote:
For Show/Hide Dom Switching
You may find this article useful:
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp /plug
It is about using javascript to create the links and hide the DDs
(progressive enhancement).
See this http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php
There is a problem in IE6, the wrapper is too wide. This is because you
declare a width of 100% for h2#second-header but also some horizontal
margin in your h1,h2,h3,h4 {} rule.
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Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Open Vision wrote: To add my 2-cents: 1. What the heck is Fidelity(Chûgi)? You can't assume everyone knows what this is. Plus there should be a space between Fidelity and the open par... Understood 2. Validation doesn't fit in the dropdown box. Padding issue 3. Why half a ribbon at the bottom of the page? Interesting footer 4. Who is this aimed at? Potential clients? Do you get many questions on these subjects? I don't get many from mine but when I do I give them an easy explanation. They're not going to understand it anyway. I can tell by the glazed look in their eyes! The explanations will be hidden and toggled with DOM. This comment is helpful and funny :) - Original Message - From: Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] c-n.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php In random order: more white-space (everything is like squished together). as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? the letter-spacing on the dd is annoying. It is a bad idea to letter- space body text - font-designers do know their stuff, you know. Might work well on your machine, with your fonts/font-size. On my browser (Gecko trunk, OS X 10.4.9), with my font-size, I see all characters drifting apart. combining fixed width on a container and then setting a max-width in em inside (your dd) is problematic. use sans-serif fonts for headings and serif fonts for body text (like the dd, again) will create some more visual structure. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On 4/30/07, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Open Vision wrote: To add my 2-cents: 1. What the heck is Fidelity(Chûgi)? You can't assume everyone knows what this is. Plus there should be a space between Fidelity and the open par... Understood I know this isn't a web standards issue, but on the subject of engaging your readers, having (barely related) headers like Fidelity and Virility can only confuse people. I think removing both of them would make the page work very nicely. Also, the horizontal navigation at the top could use a few more pixels of space from the title. It barely stands out as it is. Finally, I think show/hide javascript for the explanations is pointless... if I really happen to be interested enough to read all the sections, I would have to go through 10 clicks. That's a lot of work to read half a page worth of text. I say just let everything be available on page load and don't bother with pseudo-links. Hope it helps. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
Finally, I think show/hide javascript for the explanations is pointless... if I really happen to be interested enough to read all the sections, I would have to go through 10 clicks. That's a lot of work to read half a page worth of text. I say just let everything be available on page load and don't bother with pseudo-links. Not 10 clicks, but a single one if the script provides a link to open all DDs at once. Which it should to help users wanting to search the document. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Paul Novitski wrote: The method you're using to present the definition list in two columns is to split the markup into two lists. However, I believe it's really just one list, so you're changing the markup in a way that misrepresents the semantics of the page purely for presentational purposes. You can accomplish the dual-column list in CSS by moving the first DT in column 2 back up the page with a negative margin-top, then shifting all the items in column 2 over with a postive margin- left. This technique is illustrated in example 6 in my A List Apart article http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/ . It does require that the height of column 1 is predictable if you're using static CSS or calculable if you're generating your CSS on the fly. Wonderful suggestion and article, should the dt have mark-up similar, then follow along with the CSS, from the article? Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
This was the conclusion reached, thanks for the affirmation! Ck On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Finally, I think show/hide javascript for the explanations is pointless... if I really happen to be interested enough to read all the sections, I would have to go through 10 clicks. That's a lot of work to read half a page worth of text. I say just let everything be available on page load and don't bother with pseudo-links. Not 10 clicks, but a single one if the script provides a link to open all DDs at once. Which it should to help users wanting to search the document. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. - Original Message - From: CK To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
At 4/30/2007 02:02 PM, Open Vision wrote: Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. I believe it's JavaScript: http://www.google.ca/search?q=define%3Ajavascript I didn't realize anyone capitalized web any more. Is that like E-mail? Devilishly, Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
Hi, Not offended, solid critique, must have a thick skin in this profession :) Send some screen captures please.. CK On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Open Vision wrote: Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. - Original Message - From: CK To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
I'm afraid I agree completely with Bill, on almost every point. See below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Open Vision Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final] Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Just try ctrl-+ or ctrl-a couple of times in your browser and see how badly the page behaves. Columns overlap, spill out all over the place, ugh... Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. While I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on behaviour, there are problems. Like Bushidodeep.com, Founded in 1996 offers... should be at least Bushidodeep.com, founded in 1996, offers... But that leads to the more important point that you offer Web Standards solutions emphasizing unique visual design on a decidedly not that great a design... certainly it doesn't offer a unique and stunning interface as later proclaimed. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. This is the most important point. This is like the skills section on a resume - that is, completely worthless. It's a laundry list of buzz words. Do you go to a mechanic for your car because they have the latest Hunter 9500 Spin Balancer or The Best Snap-On Tools, or because they carefully follow all OSHA regulations? No, you go there because they can service YOUR car, or perhaps they were recommended by your friend, or because they have testimonials from trustworthy sources. Show of hands - is there anyone on this list, or anyone working in web design, who DOESN'T work with all the listed programs? You need to showcase your work. Screen shots. Links to customers. Sample pages. Stunning Interfaces. Testimonials from happy customers. What can you do for me? Don't bore me with how the sausage is made... And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. Agree completely. Would be different if there was another part of the ribbon at the top of the page, perhaps... Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one (don't know why, but...) but I'm trying to understand a validation drop down selector. Huh? Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. - Original Message - From: CK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter http://www.spamfighter.com/len for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Chris Williams wrote: I’m afraid I agree completely with Bill, on almost every point. See below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Open Vision Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final] Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Just try ctrl-+ or ctrl—a couple of times in your browser and see how badly the page behaves. Columns overlap, spill out all over the place, ugh… Tried a new technique for floating the dl, needs polish. Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. While I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt on behaviour, there are problems. Like “Bushidodeep.com, Founded in 1996 offers…” should be at least “Bushidodeep.com, founded in 1996, offers…” But that leads to the more important point that you “offer Web Standards solutions emphasizing unique visual design” on a decidedly not that great a design… certainly it doesn’t offer a “unique and stunning interface” as later proclaimed. Minimal can be boring. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. This is the most important point. This is like the “skills” section on a resume – that is, completely worthless. It’s a laundry list of buzz words. Do you go to a mechanic for your car because they have the latest “Hunter 9500 Spin Balancer” or “The Best Snap-On Tools”, or because they “carefully follow all OSHA regulations”? No, you go there because they can service YOUR car, or perhaps they were recommended by your friend, or because they have testimonials from trustworthy sources. Very interesting point Show of hands – is there anyone on this list, or anyone working in web design, who DOESN’T work with all the listed programs? You need to showcase your work. Screen shots. Links to customers. Sample pages. “Stunning Interfaces”. Testimonials from happy customers. What can you do for me? Don’t bore me with how the sausage is made… Will add to the next version... And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. The threading idea is cool.. Agree completely. Would be different if there was another part of the ribbon at the top of the page, perhaps… Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Will be omitted... Again, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one (don’t know why, but…) but I’m trying to understand a “validation” drop down selector. Huh? Ironic... Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. Solid and appreciated, done in a rush, shows rushed results. A minimal design requires more development! So long for now... - Original Message - From: CK To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http
[WSG] Template Review
http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php Hi, Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. __ One doesn't prosper by treachery and deceit. Character and work must stand forward. http://villagevoice.com/news/0644,tomorrow,74912,9.html Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Front End Developer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://hauphat.bushidodeep.com/) Cell: (347)753.2551 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
Hi CK, I think there should be more line-height in the main content of the page, it just looks too squished to me. And the text 'read more' is way too tiny. regards, Adeline CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php Hi, Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. __ "One doesn't prosper by treachery and deceit. Characterand work must stand forward." http://villagevoice.com/news/0644,tomorrow,74912,9.html Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Front End Developer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://hauphat.bushidodeep.com/) Cell: (347)753.2551 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php Hi, Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. Passed. But needs a kicker (is the text a little bland like sort of, maybe? :-) ). Foreground:#66 Background: #FF Passed at Level 2 (The contrast ratio is: 5.73) Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php Hi, Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. *separates* is misspelled under the css heading. -- Dwain Alford http://www.studiokdd.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
At 4/29/2007 06:04 PM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.phphttp://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php ... Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. The 'READ MORE' links do not function as hyperlinks using Win Firefox 2 (and of course they don't show up in Internet Explorer 7). Oh, I see, they're not actually links; I assumed they were because the mouse changed to a pointer, but I see that you forced that in your stylesheet. Why? When I enlarge the text (which I need to do in order to read the 'READ MORE' links), it spills out of the white column background. With a layout this simple, why not make the white column resize with the text? Also with enlargement, when the text wraps at window width it overlaps the beginning of the body text. Why do you take the nav menu out of the flow? This seems to create problems unnecessarily. In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help. My eye sees a busy page. I would increase the leading before each DT to let the page breathe. It's really just a big list, which I don't find interesting; even while reviewing this template I couldn't make myself actually read it. I would consider using a more engaging method of communicating with the reader. I like your color palette! Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
FYI - the main box for the layout busts out on each side by 20px in Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP. You'll need to feed that browser something 40px thinner as a width on that box. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Paul Novitski wrote: At 4/29/2007 06:04 PM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.phphttp://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php ... Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. The 'READ MORE' links do not function as hyperlinks using Win Firefox 2 (and of course they don't show up in Internet Explorer 7). Oh, I see, they're not actually links; I assumed they were because the mouse changed to a pointer, but I see that you forced that in your stylesheet. Why? When I enlarge the text (which I need to do in order to read the 'READ MORE' links), it spills out of the white column background. With a layout this simple, why not make the white column resize with the text? Also with enlargement, when the text wraps at window width it overlaps the beginning of the body text. Why do you take the nav menu out of the flow? This seems to create problems unnecessarily. In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help. My eye sees a busy page. I would increase the leading before each DT to let the page breathe. It's really just a big list, which I don't find interesting; even while reviewing this template I couldn't make myself actually read it. I would consider using a more engaging method of communicating with the reader. I like your color palette! Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Joseph R. B. Taylor n:Taylor;Joseph org:Sites by Joe, LLC adr:;;408 Route 47 South;Cape May Court House;NJ;08210;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:609-335-3076 tel;cell:609-335-3076 url:http://www.sitesbyjoe.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php In random order: more white-space (everything is like squished together). as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? the letter-spacing on the dd is annoying. It is a bad idea to letter- space body text - font-designers do know their stuff, you know. Might work well on your machine, with your fonts/font-size. On my browser (Gecko trunk, OS X 10.4.9), with my font-size, I see all characters drifting apart. combining fixed width on a container and then setting a max-width in em inside (your dd) is problematic. use sans-serif fonts for headings and serif fonts for body text (like the dd, again) will create some more visual structure. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off
part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet
you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help.
It is due to the global reset at the top of the sheet:
*{margin: 0; padding: 0;}
select option {padding-right:10px} should fix that...
My eye sees a busy page. I would increase the leading before each DT to
let the page breathe.
I agree the DT/DD pairs are too close to eaach other.
subtle horizontal borders could help too...
I like the idea of using CSS to create the read more text, but I don't
understand why there is no link in there...
No *home* page?
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Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php In random order: more white-space (everything is like squished together). as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? For Show/Hide Dom Switching the letter-spacing on the dd is annoying. It is a bad idea to letter-space body text - font-designers do know their stuff, you know. Might work well on your machine, with your fonts/font-size. On my browser (Gecko trunk, OS X 10.4.9), with my font-size, I see all characters drifting apart. See this http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php combining fixed width on a container and then setting a max-width in em inside (your dd) is problematic. Removed use sans-serif fonts for headings and serif fonts for body text (like the dd, again) will create some more visual structure. Agreed and used. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
See http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Paul Novitski wrote: At 4/29/2007 06:04 PM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.phphttp:// working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php ... Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. The 'READ MORE' links do not function as hyperlinks using Win Firefox 2 (and of course they don't show up in Internet Explorer 7). Oh, I see, they're not actually links; I assumed they were because the mouse changed to a pointer, but I see that you forced that in your stylesheet. Why? When I enlarge the text (which I need to do in order to read the 'READ MORE' links), it spills out of the white column background. With a layout this simple, why not make the white column resize with the text? Also with enlargement, when the text wraps at window width it overlaps the beginning of the body text. Why do you take the nav menu out of the flow? This seems to create problems unnecessarily. In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help. My eye sees a busy page. I would increase the leading before each DT to let the page breathe. It's really just a big list, which I don't find interesting; even while reviewing this template I couldn't make myself actually read it. I would consider using a more engaging method of communicating with the reader. I like your color palette! Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
CK wrote:
Hi,
As monochromatic minimalism is a tight-rope walk, please suggest a
kicker.
On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:31 PM, ~davidLaakso wrote:
Passed. But needs a kicker (is the text a little bland like sort of,
maybe? :-) ).
Monochromatic minimalism? You've got to be kidding :-) .
dt {background-color: inherit; color: #000;}
~dL
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