Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-08 Thread Terrence Wood
Thierry Koblentz: the * html hack works in IE *Mac* too. good point. There's always the tan hack, but probably the better way to go is to exploit IE/Macs lack of @media support. @media screen { * html... } Patrick H. Lauke: I have an aversion for adding cruft that only works in a specific

Re: star hack and IE 7 (was Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements)

2006-03-08 Thread Terrence Wood
Gunlaug Sørtun: Nothing wrong with 'conditional comments' I always weigh it up with the cost of CC code size plus the server trip for the file, vs. the code size for inline '* html hacks', usually the latter method wins. kind regards Terrence Wood.

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-08 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I think it worth mentioning that the * html hack works in IE *Mac* too. I forgot about this earlier, but that's the reason for the comment hack to hide from IE5/Mac. /*\*/ * html { ... } /**/ -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Al Kendall
Lachlan, The attached pic is a screen shoot from IE 6. Firefox 1.5 was fine...CheersAlOn 3/7/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: http://lachy.id.au/dev/2006/03/fieldset On OS X 10.4.5 Firefox 1.5, Camino - latest nightly trunk build, iCab 3.0, Safari 2.03 and

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Al Kendall wrote: The attached pic is a screen shoot from IE 6. Firefox 1.5 was fine Yes, I know. I think you misread my e-mail. I knew it was broken in IE6, I'm looking for a way to fix it. Any ideas? -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Nuno Gaspar
There is another example and a way of do it...It´s in portuguese my native, but if you follow the cod it´s easy, and pretty-- http://www.artideias.com

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lachlan Hunt wrote: The following test case demonstrates how I want it to look and my current solution that works in Firefox. Both examples in the page should look roughly identical http://lachy.id.au/dev/2006/03/fieldset Don't know, but the following addition makes it look pretty ok in

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Darren West
I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598Daz On 07/03/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: The following test case demonstrates how I want it to look and my current solution that works in Firefox.Both

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 07/03/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598 Daz On 07/03/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know, but the following addition makes it look pretty ok in my IE6...* html

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Seona Bellamy wrote: On 07/03/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598 I tend to disagree with such nonsense. * html is a completely safe filter to use now that we know IE7 will not be

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Novitski
At 02:29 PM 3/7/2006, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Seona Bellamy wrote: On 07/03/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598 I tend to disagree with such nonsense. With all due respect, Lachlan,

star hack and IE 7 (was Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements)

2006-03-07 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Darren West wrote: I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598 The * html hack will not pose a problem as long as IE 7 fixes its other bugs and inconsistencies (it will just ignore the * html like other good browsers, and -

star hack and IE 7 (was Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements)

2006-03-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Paul Novitski wrote: These coincidental clusters of bugs vary from one version of a browser to the next which is why so many hacks are version-dependent. Like browser-sniffing, relying on them makes for fragile code. You can get away with using them for the time being, but where's the long

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Ben Buchanan
I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598 Personally I think building/testing/making long-term strategy for a beta-version browser is not advisable. We will not know what IE7 can and can't do until it is actually released. Until

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Novitski wrote: Using conditional comments to work around IE's bugs is coding for the future. Personally, I have an aversion for adding cruft that only works in a specific browser family to my HTML, which should be browser agnostic. Sure, it validates, but it's just proprietary browser

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:02 PM 3/7/2006, Ben Buchanan wrote: Conditional comments are a hack - an ugly, inefficient hack at that. Planning for the future includes the thought hey, when IE6 becomes irrelevant, I'm going to have to edit every single HTML document I've got to remove this bloat!. My point was simply

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paul Novitski wrote: My point was simply that IE's conditional comments -- and ugly they are, no argument there -- are more likely to work as intended in a few years than hacks like * html. * html hacks will continue to work in IE6 forever, just as they do today. We already know this filter

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Lachlan Hunt wrote: * html hacks will continue to work in IE6 forever, just as they do today. We already know this filter has been fixed in IE7 (standards mode), and so the following are exactly equivalent: !--[if lte IE 6] ... ![end if]-- * html foo { ... } I think it worth mentioning

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I think it worth mentioning that the * html hack works in IE *Mac* too. What about conditional comments? I don't think that really matters much anyway, since IE Mac is officially obsolete (i.e. now completely unsupported by Microsoft) and I think some unwanted hacks

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: I think it worth mentioning that the * html hack works in IE *Mac* too. What about conditional comments? I don't think that really matters much anyway, since IE Mac is officially obsolete (i.e. now completely

RE: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-06 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2006 4:12 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements Hi, I'm looking for a way to style a legend element with a

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-06 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 7, 2006, at 2:12 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: I'm looking for a way to style a legend element with a background that spans the whole width of the page. I originally used a regular heading (h3) because I knew the design would have difficulty with fieldset/legend, but the after the

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-06 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: http://lachy.id.au/dev/2006/03/fieldset On OS X 10.4.5 Firefox 1.5, Camino - latest nightly trunk build, iCab 3.0, Safari 2.03 and WebKit nightly build, Opera 9 tp2, all look the same. and so does Konqueror/KDE 3.5 running on top of OS X . Great! But I still