RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-09 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:42:58 +0800, Bert Doorn wrote: > Should do: > From http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html: > Title: >All elements but BASE, BASEFONT, HEAD, HTML, META, PARAM, SCRIPT, TITLE Fair enough - I had an idea that title didn't apply to img, but if thats the case then

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Roger Johansson
On 9 dec 2004, at 08.23, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:20:56 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in addition to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip. Does that validate? I didn't th

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day >> It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in >> addition to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a >> tooltip. > Does that validate? I didn't think title was a valid attribute for the img tag? Should do: >From http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/inde

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:20:56 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: > It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in addition > to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip. Does that validate? I didn't think title was a valid attribute for the

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Brett Walsh
ay the alt text. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugh Todd Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... In response to Derek Featherstone, My (hopefully useful) contribution picks up on something

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer
> Derek Featherstone wrote: > - > What is critical and what is "extra" is determined by context. In general, > the lower tech the approach, the more accessible it is. If it is in the > content, everyone gets what they need, instead of having to rely on a > tooltip which may

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Cook, Graham R
Sorry, didn't read complete post Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natalie Buxton Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... Can you place the acronym tag within an ALT or

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Natalie Buxton
day, 9 December 2004 2:19 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [WSG] alt or title... > > how about using a space between letters instead of a 'stop'. eg A M P ? > > lisa > > -Original Message- > From: Web Usability [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Cook, Graham R
] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 2:19 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] alt or title... how about using a space between letters instead of a 'stop'. eg A M P ? lisa -Original Message- From: Web Usability [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Herrod, Lisa
how about using a space between letters instead of a 'stop'. eg A M P ? lisa -Original Message- From: Web Usability [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 2:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] alt or title... >From my observations the inclus

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Web Usability
Kirkwood | MOTIVE Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] alt or title... Does anyone have a (ideally substantiated) approach to use us of the fullstop/period in alt tags and/or title tags? e.g. alt="My goldfish" title="On holiday in Spain",

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Darren Wood
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote: Does anyone have a (ideally substantiated) approach to use us of the fullstop/period in alt tags and/or title tags? e.g. alt="My goldfish" title="On holiday in Spain", v.s alt="My goldfish." title="On holiday in Spain." Seem to recall mention of screen-readers requir

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Hugh Todd
In response to Derek Featherstone, My (hopefully useful) contribution picks up on something I learnt in my brief flirtation with the advertising industry. A caption should not restate what is in the image. The two should be complementary. So, let's say the image is of a person and a cat sitting

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
Does anyone have a (ideally substantiated) approach to use us of the fullstop/period in alt tags and/or title tags? e.g. alt="My goldfish" title="On holiday in Spain", v.s alt="My goldfish." title="On holiday in Spain." Seem to recall mention of screen-readers requiring the punctuation in the sa

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:14 PM, Andreas Boehmer wrote: > "Mark and his cat sitting happily by the sea" gives me > the information I want. It explains the image quite well and > even though I can see the image straight infront of me it is > still useful for me to know the title. It tells me

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Sabrina xxx
hello, does somebody hear me?? From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:22:42 + Andreas Boehmer wrote: We are talking about a picture of a man and his cat. As a u

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andreas Boehmer wrote: We are talking about a picture of a man and his cat. As a user I might want to know what exactly is on this picture. [...] I'd be interested to see what people would do with an image of Yves Klein "Monochrome Blue": http://www.artzine-journal.com/3rd_Issue/Source/arabsten.ht

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer
> > The title is there to provide supplementary/additional information, > over and above what the image expresses. > > Whether there is a link around the image or not has no bearing on > this. alt is required on images and title is optional but often > useful. A title on the link should provide

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Mark Stanton
Putting on my semantic nit picker hat. http://mark.gruden.com/WE04/WSGTalk-slide-12.htm http://mark.gruden.com/WE04/WSGTalk-slide-13.htm alt and title are different. alt is there to express the meaning of the image when the image is NOT visible, when the image is visible alt is completely red

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer
> > On 8 dec 2004, at 21.20, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: > >> > > > > It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in > > addition > > to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip. > > alt = alternative text, used as a replacement _when

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Natalie Buxton
rote: > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 7:31 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... > > > > > > Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Medi

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
> -Original Message- > From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 7:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... > > > Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: > > It's good practise to have

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Roger Johansson
On 8 dec 2004, at 21.20, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in addition to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip. alt = alternative text, used as a replacement _when the image can't be displayed_.

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: It's good practise to have the title attribute also on images (in addition to the ALT), as some browsers won't display the ALT Text as a tooltip. Well, ALT is by definition an ALTernate. The fact that all browsers in the past chose to also show ALT as a too

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
> -Original Message- > From: Lea de Groot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 11:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... > > > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote: > > I am using the strict

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Kornel Lesinski
alt attribute is for some elements (images, buttons), that might not be fully rendered by browsers. should be visible only when element itself is not shown. title attribute is for almost every element in html. it is supposed to give additional information. optionally visible, usually as a

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Chris Platts
On 8 Dec 2004, at 12:06, Brett Walsh wrote: I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of alt and title and which is most appropriate. I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt for links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or both?

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Brett Walsh
Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 11:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title... On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote: > I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt for > links and title for images. Or is it the other way arou

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote: > I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt for > links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or both? The other way around - the alt attribute goes on the img tag, to provide some information when

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Iain Gardiner
Title: Message Personally, I tend towards using title for links to give surfers an idea where the link is taking them.  I use both on images.  I use the web developer extension for Firefox on my own site at the moment for highlighting any links which I have neglected to add a title attribute

Re: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-08 Thread Daniel Kling
Am Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100 schrieb Brett Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hey everyone. I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of alt and title and which is most appropriate. I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt for links and title for ima