Re: [WSG] w3c badges
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Re: [WSG] w3c badges
On 18 Oct 2004, at 13:37, Ryan Christie wrote: You're free to make your own W3C badges to place on your site. Most people I see, incl. myself, just use text links in the footer. W3C won't hunt you down for infringement or anything. There are definitely some copyright issues in using the logo without permission, so I suggest you make your own "Validation" badges or use text (which is what at least 90% of the people doing this use). If you really want to do something graphical, then my advice is to approach it in the same manner as site design. Make it interesting. Make it stand out (or not, if that makes more sense). You're right though, if they had some quality official badges that didn't stick out like a sore thumb, I'd probably use them alot more often. :) So would I :) Dean -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rick Faaberg wrote: Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first place? Best, Rick Faaberg -- Ryan Christie| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisonburg, VA | w: http://theward.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
On 18 Oct 2004, at 12:50, Rick Faaberg wrote: Hi all, Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? I work for the W3C and I've heard your suggestion. While I'm not the badges guy, I know they have many people ask for different badges all the time. I don't think there is any way to make everyone happy. My advice is to make your own badge, or use text, or have nothing. If you do put something there, IMO the most important thing is the link to the validator, so that (a) people can check you are not lying :) and (b) that random web people who have no idea what that means can follow the link, learn about what it means and hopefully decide to do it on their own site. Dean ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] w3c badges
Nah, they're different :o) Not as good ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 12:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] w3c badges Thank google ;) http://images.google.com.au/images?q=validate+w3c&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:04:11 +1000 Subject: RE: [WSG] w3c badges > Pleased you like them, Michael ;o) > > Mike Pepper > Accessible Web Developer () > www.seowebsitepromotion.com > > GAWDS Admin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.gawds.org > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael Dale > Sent: 18 October 2004 04:58 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges > > > Here are two nicer looking ones > > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) > > Michael Dale > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:25 +1000 > Subject: [WSG] w3c badges > > > > Hi all, > > > > Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a > lot > > more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? > > > > Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? > > > > Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first > > place? > > > > Best, > > > > Rick Faaberg > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] w3c badges
Thank google ;) http://images.google.com.au/images?q=validate+w3c&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mike Pepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:04:11 +1000 Subject: RE: [WSG] w3c badges > Pleased you like them, Michael ;o) > > Mike Pepper > Accessible Web Developer () > www.seowebsitepromotion.com > > GAWDS Admin > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.gawds.org > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Michael Dale > Sent: 18 October 2004 04:58 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges > > > Here are two nicer looking ones > > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) > > Michael Dale > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:25 +1000 > Subject: [WSG] w3c badges > > > > Hi all, > > > > Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a > lot > > more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? > > > > Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? > > > > Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first > > place? > > > > Best, > > > > Rick Faaberg > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] w3c badges
Pleased you like them, Michael ;o) Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer () www.seowebsitepromotion.com GAWDS Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Dale Sent: 18 October 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges Here are two nicer looking ones http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:25 +1000 Subject: [WSG] w3c badges > Hi all, > > Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot > more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? > > Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? > > Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first > place? > > Best, > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
The only other one I have is this: http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/w3c_xhtml.png (html 1.0). Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:19:30 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges > On 10/17/04 8:58 PM "Michael Dale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > > > Here are two nicer looking ones > > > > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) > > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) > > > > Michael Dale > > Those are pretty nice! Are there more? > > Thanks > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
< my 2c > Good: It helps promote standards Not so good: you look like a pratt if it doesn't validate I think it's a matter of personal taste. I use text links on my sites, but not on sites I develop for work I think it you do use them, it's probably good to have an explanation (alt, title or fuller explanation?) somewhere for the users that don't have a clue what they mean. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:34:38 +1000, Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Customers don't really care - it's true - but I've started using those > "Steal these Buttons" ones (on clients' sites as well) to try and help build > awareness. I don't think it does any harm... > > Jason > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Rick Faaberg > Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 2:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges > > > I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows > > nor cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for > > self-congratulation and brownie points from other developers and > > standards zealots. I'd certainly think twice (or more) before putting them > on a client's site. > > What is your opinion (and practice) with regard to putting the W3C badges on > you clients' sites? > > I'm thinking "just don't do it". > > Best, > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Gmail invites - just ask nicely ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
On 10/17/04 8:58 PM "Michael Dale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > Here are two nicer looking ones > > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) > http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) > > Michael Dale Those are pretty nice! Are there more? Thanks Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
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I think for most clients you just don't go there - after all, it's their site, not yours. They don't know or care about web standards, and neither do their clients - it just doesn't mean anything to them, so is hardly useful for evangelical purposes. Imagine if all TV commercials had a "SMPTE" banner splashed across their final moments ... (Still, there are always exceptions.) Cheers, Kevin On 18/10/04 2:08 PM, "Rick Faaberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows nor >> cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for self-congratulation and >> brownie points from other developers and standards zealots. I'd certainly >> think twice (or more) before putting them on a client's site. > > What is your opinion (and practice) with regard to putting the W3C badges on > you clients' sites? > > I'm thinking "just don't do it". > > Best, > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] w3c badges
Customers don't really care - it's true - but I've started using those "Steal these Buttons" ones (on clients' sites as well) to try and help build awareness. I don't think it does any harm... Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faaberg Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges > I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows > nor cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for > self-congratulation and brownie points from other developers and > standards zealots. I'd certainly think twice (or more) before putting them on a client's site. What is your opinion (and practice) with regard to putting the W3C badges on you clients' sites? I'm thinking "just don't do it". Best, Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
> I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows nor > cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for self-congratulation and > brownie points from other developers and standards zealots. I'd certainly > think twice (or more) before putting them on a client's site. What is your opinion (and practice) with regard to putting the W3C badges on you clients' sites? I'm thinking "just don't do it". Best, Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
Here are two nicer looking ones http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validx.gif (xhtml 1.1) http://blog.dalegroup.net/images/validc.gif (css) Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:25 +1000 Subject: [WSG] w3c badges > Hi all, > > Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot > more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? > > Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? > > Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first > place? > > Best, > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
You're free to make your own W3C badges to place on your site. Most people I see, incl. myself, just use text links in the footer. W3C won't hunt you down for infringement or anything. You're right though, if they had some quality official badges that didn't stick out like a sore thumb, I'd probably use them alot more often. :) Rick Faaberg wrote: Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first place? Best, Rick Faaberg -- Ryan Christie| e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisonburg, VA | w: http://theward.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
Have you seen these...? http://www.antipixel.com/blog/archives/2002/10/22/steal_these_buttons.html I made orange versions for my own home page Regards - PAUL ROSS SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:50:25 -0700, Rick Faaberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
Hi Rick, You're not tied to using the W3C images, and there are a few good replacements around. I'm using a pretty common set of examples on the front page of my site (http://www.klp.com.au/). They're not mine, and I've forgotten exactly where I borrowed them from (so apologies to the original creator), but they are free to use (otherwise I wouldn't be using them). I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows nor cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for self-congratulation and brownie points from other developers and standards zealots. I'd certainly think twice (or more) before putting them on a client's site. Cheers, Kevin On 18/10/04 12:50 PM, "Rick Faaberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot > more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? > > Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? > > Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first > place? > > Best, > > Rick Faaberg > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c badges
Maybe you can try making your own here: http://kalsey.com/tools/buttonmaker/ You can make the colors match your site. hope that helps, Zulema · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Z u l e m a O r t i z W e b D e s i g n e r email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] website : http://zoblue.com/ · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Rick Faaberg wrote: Hi all, Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges a lot more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my sites? Or do I just put up text that says "W3C Valid"? Is that what you do? Or just forget it entirely, 'cause who beside developers care in the first place? Best, Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
