Nick Lo wrote:
I agree it appears that way now but I think it's a little too
easy/early to suggest it is and will end up that way. In that respect
it'll be interesting to watch it develop.
On a site of this massive scale I'd be very surprised if there are not
a bunch of pretty screwed on heads
Thanks, David, for the suggestions (and for the code). I implemented
the changes, however nothing seems to have changed. I don't understand
why that would be, as everything you said makes perfect sense. However,
I'm still not the getting the you are here active tab in IE.
Any other possible
I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still seeing the
tabled version.
have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what?
(I'm in the UK)
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http://www.xebit.net
Tony Crockford wrote:
I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still seeing
the tabled version.
have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what?
(I'm in the UK)
Here you go:
http://www.yahoo.com/?r=1096530966
I have no clue if there is some selection going on there
Weird indeed. From home, I see the new table-less design. From work here, it's still
the old one...
Patrick
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From: Tony Crockford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 September 2004 09:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
I'm a bit
At 09:34 on Thursday, 30 Sep 2004, Mugur Padurean wrote:
Tony Crockford wrote:
I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still seeing
the tabled version.
have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what?
(I'm in the UK)
Here you go:
http://www.yahoo.com/?r=1096530966
Are you behind a caching proxy or something at work?
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From: Patrick Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 30-Sep-04 6:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject:RE: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
Weird indeed. From home, I see the new table-less design. From
Try using the URL: www.yahoo.com/beta , should work from work and home ;-)
Grz,
Edwart Visser
Designer
Wisdom TMLC
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Online onderzoek? Kijk op www.surv-e.nl!
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Behalf Of Tony Crockford
Sent:
Try:
http://www.yahoo.com/beta
or just click the BETA link on the homepage just under the search box on the
right hand side. It appears to be a bit fussy about what browsers it lets see
it though.
Cheers,
Dam
Quoting Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Weird indeed. From home, I see the new
I had the same problem. However, if you go to http://www.yahoo.com/beta you
should have more luck.
Have viewed source, it seems somewhat over-complicated to me but it is good
to see one of the big boys taking the step towards standards at all.
Bryan Davis
www.bryandavis.info
- Original
Tony Crockford wrote:
At 09:34 on Thursday, 30 Sep 2004, Mugur Padurean wrote:
Tony Crockford wrote:
I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still
seeing the tabled version.
have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what?
(I'm in the UK)
Here you go:
Finally! Thanks!
~john
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http://www.DrZeus.net
content without clutter
Dan Webb wrote:
Try:
http://www.yahoo.com/beta
or just click the BETA link on the homepage just under the search box on the
right hand side. It appears to be a bit fussy about
People,
Probably this is slightly OTbut...
Can't help share the beautiful presentations from the Speakers from
Day1 of the WE04 Presentation. Enjoy! I would hopefully have more
information up there by Saturday.
http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/
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Regards,
Amit Karmakar
Shane--
Hmm, well I tend to consider empty divs akin to a spacer.gif in the
land of tables--if it is present solely for the purposes of
presentation, then you're falling short of the pursuit of separating
style from content. Particular to the header3, perhaps you could
instead place that image
I see that Amit has beaten me to posting a summary of events for WE04
Day 1 at Karmakars.com , and it most certainly isnt OT :-)
I personally found the 3 Ds of CSS most useful
* Dan Cederholm (http://www.simplebits.com) - whose book I won in a
promotion run by John Allsopp for early WE04
Tony Crockford wrote:
At 09:34 on Thursday, 30 Sep 2004, Mugur Padurean wrote:
Tony Crockford wrote:
I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still
seeing the tabled version.
have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what?
(I'm in the UK)
Here you go:
Let's give Yahoo our feedback. They provide a way to receive feedback using the link
under the search box. True, our comments may fall on deaf ears, or they may not. But
from my experience, numbers do matter, so I filled out the feedback form and voiced my
option on their partial move to
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Let's give Yahoo our feedback. They provide a way to receive feedback using the link
under the search box. True, our comments may fall on deaf ears, or they may not. But
from my experience, numbers do matter, so I filled out the feedback form and voiced my
John:
Try moving up the priority of the css rule for your active link.
I believe making
#tabmenu li a.active {
...
}
shall work, but I didn't teste it.
Isabel Santos
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From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:00 AM
Hey,
I made my first website for the ohio senate and I used CSS-positioning for most of the website. The webpage views fine under IE, but in Firefox my News Room section does not display correctly. The container_frame class(the tan block - added the color so you can see which divblock I'm
Isabel,
Forgive me, but could you please clarify your suggestion? I tried
moving the #tabmenu a.active code up one, but it didn't do anything.
I'm really a newbie with CSS, so please bear with me.
~john
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http://www.DrZeus.net
content without
I hope it's okay if I jump in here.
Typically, to code links in CSS you'd use colons after the a, and in
LVHA (link, visited, hover, active) order. For example,
#tabmenu a:link {
whatever
}
#tabmenu a:visited {
whatever
}
#tabmenu a:hover {
whatever
}
#tabmenu a:active {
whatever
}
The
How canone have an image on the left with a caption below the image, and text on the right. I don't want to text to float around the image and I don't want to use a table.
Thanks,
Nancy Johnson
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004
11:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Images without
float
How canone have an image on the left with a caption below the
image, and text on the right. I don't want to text to float around the image
and I don't want to use a
--- brian cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Let's give Yahoo our feedback. They provide a way
to receive feedback using the link under the search
box. True, our comments may fall on deaf ears, or
they may not. But from my experience, numbers do
matter,
Admittedly, I haven't taken a look at your CSS, but my initial gut
response is that you're floating the 2 column divs. Applying float to a div
pulls it out of the flow of the document, so Firefox is actually behaving
correctly. IE makes containing divs expand to hold their content, but
Hi guys can you please check out this layout and tell me what you
all think...
The link is http://www.jccihouseofglory.org/2.jpg
I want the content area to extend in height when the content is
long... I'm using css divs and uses the x and the y variables... how
do I make it extend when there
The dl
tag to the rescue.
put
the image and caption in dd tags, the text in the dt. float the dt to the left
or the dd's to the right or some other variation.
An
example can be seen here:
http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/asalescontact.do
Each
of the account reps sits in their own dl
John,
Forgive me, I should explain myself better.
By moving the priority up I meant increasing the priority of the rule, and
that is specifying it more deeply.
I really do not know if that is what's happening, but if it is, increasing
the specificity of the rule will increase its priority.
So
http://www.elise.com/mt/archives/000767hacked.php
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Hi all,
I've been trying to get my head around the use of doctypes and their
eventual influence on layouts via whether they force the browser into
standards mode or not.
What i've come to so far is if you use tables mixed with css for
positioning you're better off staying with an HTML 4 doctype
http://www.elise.com/mt/archives/000767hacked.php
There's no evidence here that MT was hacked.
All the best,
--
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The rule of thunb is that if you're going to use XHTML, than you have to
get it 100% correct because XHTML is much more strict and unforgiving of
little errors than html 4
so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will
always be invalid
Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
Hi, I'm new to the group. I just joined within the past week. I found
you all through the cssd list.
I'm self teaching myself web design. I'm in a class right now that is
very lightly going over hta for css. If anyone can provide me with
some links that would better understand this I would
Debbie Riendeau wrote:
I'm self teaching myself web design. I'm in a class right now that is
very lightly going over hta for css. If anyone can provide me with
some links that would better understand this I would appreciate it.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/hta/overview/htaoverview.asp
Neerav wrote:
so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will
always be invalid
If you know for sure that the markup is going to be invalid, why bother
with a doctype at all? It's a bit like putting a may contain nuts
sticker on a bag of peanuts...
Patrick H. Lauke
Patrick,
Thank you for the both links and the explanation of PNGs. I got a bit
overwhelmed in reading the link info and forgot my manners, so please
forgive me, but I do thank you for the info, it's been a great help.
Again, Thanks,
wayne
On 9/29/04 7:52 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey, no worries. Glad it helped :)
P
Wayne Godfrey wrote:
Patrick,
Thank you for the both links and the explanation of PNGs. I got a bit
overwhelmed in reading the link info and forgot my manners, so please
forgive me, but I do thank you for the info, it's been a great help.
Again, Thanks,
wayne
My very sincerest apologies, John.
I made one small change to the HTML before I started fiddling with the CSS
(but which I completely forgot to tell you about).
I applied the active class to the list item, rather than the a link:
ul id=tabmenu
li class=activea href=./index.htmlhome/a/li
I'm
Actually, I apply classes and styles to hrefs all the time - it's the only
way to emulate button functionality on a text link.
Cheers,
Kevin
On 1/10/04 9:23 AM, David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My very sincerest apologies, John.
I made one small change to the HTML before I started
The argument I was swayed by was that XHTML was more future-proof, since in
the future everyone will use XML (and drive atomic cars). This means that
the designer coming after me won't have to do as much work to do on the next
redesign (which is especially good if I'm the next designer).
I
I'll be reworking the markup and the layout approach they've used ...
it's just that i anticipate they'll have a reason for using the
doctype ... cuz it doesn't jump up there by itself, that i'll need to
intelligently and authoritively discuss with them. Much of the code is
actually generated out
The voices are telling me Kevin Futter said on 9/29/2004 6:19 PM:
My understanding is that while IE Win supports the display of PNG files, it
doesn't support any of their transparency features. If you want to use
transparency for images in a cross-browser safe way, GIF is really your only
option.
John:
(http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/style.css)
Allthought your xhtml is valid, the css wasn't validating, so I cleaned up
some errors, I do not know if this works with the erros, but, after
cleaning, making:
#tabmenu a.active:link, #tabmenu li
I use this web site for a quick preview in Safari:
http://www.danvine.com/icapture/
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:07:18 -0400, Albert Gedraitis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cesar -
Web users interested in your services will not be able to get much help
if their browser is Safari 1.2.3. Sorry, but
Hello all,
I have read lots of helpful information here, so I am hoping that I can get
some direction from you all.
I have a design that I have just coded. I have validated the XHTML and CSS.
It renders correct in PC versions of Mozilla, Firefox, Netscape and IE (NOT
Netscape 4.7) I am sure it
I'm working
on a page that will consist of 2 columns that will sit inside a wrapper div
container. I set the left column to float left with a width of 400px. The right
column is set with a margin-left of 400px and a width of 200px. The width of the
wrapper container is 600px. The right
First, I have an absolutely positioned DIV that has its overflow set to
auto. When the text in the DIV, which fits completely within the
boundary of the DIV, is resized up or down from 100% a vertical
scrollbar appears in MZ and FF even if the text still fits completely
within the DIV
Help!
This page:
http://morst.signify.co.nz/templates/ig3-template.asp
which validates as HTML 4.01 Strict, causes a consistent problem with
IE5 Mac, whereby the page won't load or display. I end up having to
Force Quit the browser.
It's been replicated on another IE Mac outside of our
Michael:
Simple but not perfect:
if you can live with a 3px margin different in
different browsers:
#right {width:197px; /* if I put a unit
here such as "px" then the column doesn't line up
*/margin-left:400px;}
IE renders a 3px margin on adjacent divs in certain
circunstances.
This
Hello,
I tried your code. What worked for me is giving the right div a
float:right; It worked for both IE6 and FF.
- regnard
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From: MirAGe01 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:11:28 -0700
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] IE weird display
is all you did is add float:right to the stylesheet rule #right?
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Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] IE weird display problem
Hello,
I tried your code. What worked
Thanks for the link.
From: Isabel Santos
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004
10:05 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG]
IE weird display problem
Michael:
Simple but not perfect:
if you can live with a 3px margin different in
In Safari on the Mac it looks pretty much the same as it does in IE on the PC. If
you're interested, you can see it at
http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/IG-3-template.gif
My IE 5.2 on the Mac behaved as you report and I had to force quit.
Thge only suspect I could see in your code was
IE renders a 3px margin on adjacent divs in certain circunstances.
This will take that out; in other browsers, if you have different
backgrounds for each div this solution isn't suitable.
That will be the IE Three Pixel Text-Jog
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html
Does anyone know how http://www.smh.com.au got the lefthand nav bar to descend to the
foot of the page, irrespective of the content? Nothing I try works.
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Andrew In Safari on the Mac it looks pretty much the same as
Andrew it does in IE on the PC. If you're interested, you can see it
Andrew at http://www.imagine-hosting.com/images/IG-3-template.gif
Andrew My IE 5.2 on the Mac behaved as you report and I had to force quit.
Andrew Thge only suspect
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