Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

2004-12-21 Thread Kay Smoljak
Thanks for your ideas everyone, I'll definitely add some of those things. I have also pointed out that their existing site doesn't work too well in Netscape 4 (or with Flash disabled, for that matter). On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:46:30 +0800, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is a WA gov site

[WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Charles Slack
Hi, This is probably a really easy one. I am just setting myself up to tryPerl scripting. My first job is to set the Character Set and MIME Typeto besent in the header. What test should I carry out to make sure that the header is correct? Regards, Charlie

[ADMIN] Thread Closed - Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Gary Menzel
PERL questions should be directed to a PERL list as PERL is a scripting language and NOT a web standard. This is in accordance with the guidelines of the WSG email list. If you have the answer to this question, please reply OFF LIST to the sender. Regards, Gary Menzel (for WSG CORE) On Tue,

Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Charles Download Firefox (if you haven't already) and then install the LiveHTTPHeaders plug in (http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/). Restart Firefox and LiveHTTPHeaders will then be under the tools menu and all your headers will be revealed. -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd

Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 12/21/04 12:38 AM Charles Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I am just setting myself up to try Perl scripting. My first job is to set the Character Set and MIME Type to be sent in the header. What test should I carry out to make sure that the header is correct? Shouldn't your query be

Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Charles Slack
Sorry - I did not think I was asking a Perl question - just asking how I see an HTML header. Thanks Mark for your rapid response. Sorry everyone else. Charlie - Original Message - From: Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:54 AM

Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Gary Menzel PERL questions should be directed to a PERL list as PERL is a scripting language and NOT a web standard. The question was about HTTP and MIME, which - in my mind - do fall under web standards... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster /

Re: [WSG] Template StyleSheet

2004-12-21 Thread Manuel González Noriega
Trying to find examples, resources that define how StyleSheets should be organised. There's been dicussion of how to arrange your classes and IDs and I'm just wondering, what about base generic styles that don't need to be referenced by class or ID... Does anyone out there start with a

[WSG] Tables inside a div

2004-12-21 Thread Javier Leyba
Hi I've a page with div layouts but inside a div I need to show some data inside a table. How could I set table width to be a 90% of div width size ? If I set a table width=90% it takes a 90% of whole page instead of div... Thanks in advance jl

Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

2004-12-21 Thread David R
Kay Smoljak wrote: I'm feeling like this whole week is one big Friday afternoon, and that somehow sounds rather lame. Can anyone recommend any other reasons or throw in some kick-arse buzzwords to make me look good? Quote the pointy hairded boss: Lets improve our existing services by

[WSG] Some links for light reading (21/12/04)

2004-12-21 Thread russ - maxdesign
Web design world cool-down: http://www.molly.com/2004/12/18/web-design-world-cool-down/ Don¹t Care About Market Share: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/12/20/market-share-dont-care/ HTML tags: http://lachy.id.au/blogs/log/2004/12/html-tags ALT attribute (ALT tag, ALT tooltip)

[WSG] WSG S5

2004-12-21 Thread russ - maxdesign
About a month ago, Lachlan Hardy produced a slide show template (based on Eric Meyers S5) for the WSG. It is now online for all WSG members to use as they wish: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource367.cfm More on S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ Rather than clog the list, if you have

Re: [WSG] Tables inside a div

2004-12-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 21 Dec 2004, at 9:11 PM, Javier Leyba wrote: How could I set table width to be a 90% of div width size ? If I set a table width=90% it takes a 90% of whole page instead of div... How about div#whatever table { margin: 0 10% ;} But beware... some browsers (IE5Mac comes to mind) need the longhand

Re: [WSG] Tables inside a div

2004-12-21 Thread Gary Menzel
Just remember - as far as I have found - if you dont set the width on the DIV then the DIV will size to whatever the content is. If you dont have a width on the DIV and say the TABLE is 90% - what will it be 90% of? The closest bounding ancestor area that has a width - which will be the body tag

Re: [WSG] Tables inside a div

2004-12-21 Thread Christian Sonne
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 09:50:28PM +1000, Gary Menzel wrote: Just remember - as far as I have found - if you dont set the width on the DIV then the DIV will size to whatever the content is. Not unless floated - if you don't set a width on a non-floated non-replaced block, it will have the

[WSG] Float Issue (I think)

2004-12-21 Thread Dan
Hello all this is my first post so bear with me. (if that 1st sentence didn't put you off please read on) I have, what I think is a Float related issue, which is causing me some layout problems. The URL to the page is: http://www.euromediatraffic.com/~daniel/pt/index.html and the stylesheet is:

[WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

2004-12-21 Thread David R
'lo guys After experimenting with the IE7 javascript library for IE, I've noticed some shortcomings with the scripts, that whilst solving one issue... create another. (In this case, resolving the img:hover{} issue, but messing up paddings for a:link/a:link:hover/a:hover) Does anyone know of any

Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

2004-12-21 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Does anyone know of any existing (and much simpler) JavaScript libraries that enable :hover, :focus, and :active for non anchor tags for IE? http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Float Issue (I think)

2004-12-21 Thread Bryan Davis
Hi Dan Had a quick look at your page. Upon trying to validate found a few errors including a couple of unclosed tags and a missing closing /div. This is probably what is causing your problems. Fix those HTML errors first and then come back to me if you've still got problems. Merry Christmas

[WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
The color scheme is what I do not like. Can someone help me find a better color scheme? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Hanni Ross
Try http://colorschemer.com/ Great tool, I think there's a 15 day trial. Regards, Hanni On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:00:00 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The color scheme is what I do not like. Can someone help me find a better color scheme? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:46:27

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Johannes Reiss
My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk hmmm... eg. you can validate it, esp. change the to / (XHTML)

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. Validate, fix, validate, fix, validate, ... You might start by changing the Doctype to HTML 4.01 Transitional and fix the 19 errors (as opposed to 154 with

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Tom Livingston
http://www.paletteman.com/ Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com On Dec 21, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Hanni Ross wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Great tool, I think there's a 15 day trial. Regards, Hanni On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:00:00 -0500, Anthony Timberlake

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Al Sessions
Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? I don't mean to be rude but a token attempt at validation is probably in order before asking for suggestions. You may want to start by limiting yourself to one

Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

2004-12-21 Thread David R
Kornel Lesinski wrote: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html Thanks :) -- -David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] Template StyleSheet

2004-12-21 Thread JohnyB
The W3 Spec for CSS2 has one for HTML4 but I don't see any ryhme or reason in the way it's laid it out. They're recommending that all developers use this stylesheet as a template. Can someone explain it to me? Well, I will at least try to... This generic stylesheet is provided by W3C to unify

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:51:36 -0500, Al Sessions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it?

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Matt Hampel
have validated my CSS and HTML. This generally means you have fixed the errors the validator displays. The page you linked to still has 130+ errors. Johannes' suggestion hmmm... eg. you can validate it, esp. change the to / (XHTML) would fix quite a few. Matt Hampel On Tue, 21 Dec 2004

[WSG] e-Government Implementation Guidelines

2004-12-21 Thread Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE
Morning list, *Please respond to this request off-list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), once we've compiled the results we'll get Russ to add a link to the Resources section of the WSG website.* E-GOVERNMENT IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES We're attempting to compile a list of international e-government web

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Leslie Riggs
I went back and re-checked for CSS and HTML validation: You still have some problems to fix. The CSS validator shows an error page. The HTML validator clearly states your code is not valid XHTML 1.0 Strict, with 136 errors. You'll have to fix those first. It looks to me like you'll have to

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Dec 2004, at 8:10 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I do have one set of head, body and html tags. I have validated my CSS and HTML. Don't see how your HTML can validate. Adding a DOCTYPE of XHTML Strict will not magically convert an HTML document to XHTML. The syntax of your code is entirely

Re: [WSG] e-Government Implementation Guidelines

2004-12-21 Thread Mike Brown
Andy Kirkwood | MOTIVE wrote: E-GOVERNMENT IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES We're attempting to compile a list of international e-government web guidelines. (In NZ these standards have had a significant impact upon the acceptance and perceived legitimacy of web standards.) Andy something along the

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I am not new at this, just haven't done it for a while now. I thought by being on this list, I could get the help I needed. I appologize if I offended you. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:53:26 +1100, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Dec 2004, at 8:10 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread haggis
Hello; I see now that you have changed the doctype to 4.01 transitional which still gives up 2 errors and in the css there are still 8 errors and 1 warning. In the html you are using self closing tags img src= blah blah blah / you don't need that in 4.01 transitional. Plus you have td tags

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
It is now validated with HTML and CSS. Does anyone have anything else that I can do to improve my site? Sites to read and gain more knowledge, scripts? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:32:14 -0800, haggis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello; I see now that you have changed the doctype to 4.01 transitional

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Dec 2004, at 9:04 AM, Anthony Timberlake wrote: I am not new at this, just haven't done it for a while now. I thought by being on this list, I could get the help I needed. I appologize if I offended you. I'm not in the least offended. But if you'd like help from this list (and this advice

[WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi I just read the brilliant article on font sizing at Usable type that Russ pointed us to (http://usabletype.com/styles/sizes/) and had a look at the style sheet in use and was wondering what this meant. #wrap { padding:0; text-align:left; margin:10px auto

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:31:27 +0930, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is a child selector: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/CR-CSS21-20040225/selector.html#child-selectors html#wrap means element with id=wrap inside html (but not inside other element inside html). If its not body id=wrap (or head) then it

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Andrew Krespanis
' ' is CSS for 'child of'. In this instance - html#wrap - it means any element with an id of 'wrap' that is a child of the html element. The reason they've used it here is probably because IE does not understand that selector, so it will ignore the rule. Hope that cleared it up a bit for you :)

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Andrew Krespanis
' ' is CSS for 'child of'. In this instance - html#wrap - it means any element with an id of 'wrap' that is a child of the html element. The reason they've used it here is probably because IE does not understand that selector, so it will ignore the rule. Hope that cleared it up a bit for you :)

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread haggis
Hello; You have said . --- It is now validated with HTML and CSS. Does anyone have anything else that I can do to improve my site? Sites to read and gain more knowledge, scripts?

[WSG] Including modules

2004-12-21 Thread David R
Hey I'm still trying to figure out how to add modules Is there any tutorial on what you need to do with the .dtd, .mod, etc... documents and files? Or, morerather... How do I insert this module: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/dtd_module_defs.html#a_module_Iframe Into an XHTML1.1 page?

Re: [WSG] e-Government Implementation Guidelines

2004-12-21 Thread James Ellis
Hi The webstandardsgroup.org is able to be updated by all members. Feel free to add relevant resources as you like! Regards James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kornel Lesinski wrote: So, in this case it's CSS hack. AFAIK IE5/win ignores and + selectors and iterprets it as html #wrap. Still trying to find out which browsers mistakenly apply this. IE5/5.5/6 seem to rightly ignore the rule. The closest I came was the star-7 hack

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
Anthony Timberlake wrote: My site is http://www.dotradio.uni.cc. What can I do to improve my site? Is there anything wrong with it? Thanks for your help. To me, the #3 stylesheet provides the least bothersome color combination, but that produces a section of virtually invisible text at the

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Kornel Lesinski wrote: So, in this case it's CSS hack. AFAIK IE5/win ignores and + selectors and iterprets it as html #wrap. Still trying to find out which browsers mistakenly apply this. IE5/5.5/6 seem to rightly ignore the rule. The closest I came was the star-7 hack

Re: [WSG] expand divs height with content

2004-12-21 Thread Jeffery Fernandez
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Jeffery Fernandez wrote: I am trying to get a Div to expand its height when the content grows. Site development url is http://www.hotshot.com.au/dev/fpaa/ This: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , or any other clearing-method, should fix that problem.

Re: [WSG] Hover psuedo-class issues

2004-12-21 Thread JohnyB
Does anyone know of any existing (and much simpler) JavaScript libraries that enable :hover, :focus, and :active for non anchor tags for IE? Look it up in http://alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread JohnyB
Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz |

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz |

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread simon dodson
dude that site bites ! Anthony Timberlake wrote: I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets. On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html -- Jan

[WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)

2004-12-21 Thread Krassy
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try http://colorschemer.com/ Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html A while back I had compiled a list of some good Color Scheme Tools here:

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
Excuse me? On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:19:31 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dude that site bites ! -- Anthony Timberlake DJ on Dot Radio http://www.dotradio.uni.cc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread haggis
Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets. You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding: 2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the

Re: [WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)

2004-12-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Back in July I made a very small experiment that calculates tints and their respective complementaries based on hex values. To my surprise, even Eric Meyer liked it enough to link to it at the time (ah, my 15 seconds of fame). It's basic, but it just arose out of an immediate need I had at the

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
How are you getting errors? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F1.cssusermedium=all http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F2.cssusermedium=all

Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

2004-12-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Cowie wrote: Get hold of their web logs or from a similar site, you should find the combined IE4/NS4 and earlier browsers account for less than 0.5% of all vistors (it is with our sites) and seeing a sizeable chunk ( a least a third) of those are using NS3, IE3 or NS4.04 (bad javascript)

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread Marc Broad
Anthony - you are validating the individual css files. Your inline styles still leave a bit to be desired... When you validate css using a site url it takes the css that page accesses and runs . You are validating each file in isolation from inline styles. For example: div

Re: [WSG] My Site--Sorry

2004-12-21 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:40:50 -0500, Anthony Timberlake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, see correction below--- sans-serif *not* serif How are you getting errors? http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dotradio.uni.cc%2Fstyles%2F1.cssusermedium=all

Re: [WSG] My Site

2004-12-21 Thread haggis
Anthony; You asked . - How are you getting errors? - I open your site in FF and use the developers toolbar to validate your html and your css at the W3C ... when I

Re: [WSG] Please explain use of html#____

2004-12-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 22 Dec 2004, at 9:25 am, Kornel Lesinski wrote: Today I've ran into problems with IE5.01/win: dt.active + dd {} was applied to all dd elements, even changing to: * dt.active + dd {} didn't help - IE5 still stubbornly saw the rule. If there is white-space around the '+', than IE5.0 applies the

[WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-21 Thread berry
I am anxious about the changements which is coming with the new standard. Most of us have developped application using DOM which maybe will not be valid with the new standard especially with XHTML 2.0 and DOM3. I think standard doesn't take in consideration some attribute which was being used

Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

2004-12-21 Thread heretic
Hi Nick, We successfully moved NN4 off our primary support list a couple of years ago, despite the lingering in-house installs due to NN4 once upon a time being the standard browser. My thoughts on your situation I have a requirements document here that I'm quoting for, that mentions that

Re: [WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-21 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Berry A few points here: - I doubt XHTML 2/DOM 3 will hit the main stream for a number of years (at least 5). So I wouldn't start worrying about it now. - I don't think XHTML 2/DOM 3 have be designed with developers in mind. These guys are not thinking about our immediate needs - they are

Re: [WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-21 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi Berry, I wouldn't be so anxious about the new xhtml standards for now. I really don't think it'll be around in the next 4 to 5 years (if ever). If browsers will follow standards... I think there is a hole new awareness about standards and I think new browsers will follow standards. Even IE