Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-17 Thread Lukasz Grabun
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 00:26:54 +0100, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Accesskeys: [..snip accesskeys list..] I'm not sure this is right at all. (I mean use accesskeys to navigate the site with) Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? IMO,

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-17 Thread Andy Budd
I think what would be more interesting is if browsers let you set your rendering mode (quirks vs standards). This would be really useful for testing purposes. However it would be even more useful when writing user stylesheets. I wrote an accessible user stylesheet a while back that changed

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-17 Thread dinesh suthar
Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think what would be more interesting is if browsers let you set your rendering mode (quirks vs standards).This would be really useful for testing purposes. However it would be even more useful when writing user stylesheets. I wrote an "accessible" user

RE: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-17 Thread Patrick Lauke
Lukasz Grabun Tab indices (indexes?) are helpful for those who use keyboards to navigate webpages (for example me - I browse using elinks, mostly). However it's useless to define tabindex if the natural tab order of a page already makes sense. Patrick Patrick

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Nils Kr. Falch
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already)

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Jan Brasna
But nevertheless good timing, cause w3.org just released a Working Draft of CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders Module. And it has multiple background images. Great news! Maybe once when we'll all be old and CSS3 support will be common thing among the browsers, we'll be able to tell our children how

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread David R
Jan Brasna wrote: Maybe once when we'll all be old and CSS3 support will be common thing among the browsers, we'll be able to tell our children how this was complicated in our times... ;) In MY day we had to recreate FOUR DIVS to get rounded corners! *spits* YOU don't appreciate the HARD WORK

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Dean Jackson
I realise that many people have already responded. Sorry for the echo. I'm not in the CSS working group, but I do work for W3C. On 17 Feb 2005, at 10:31, David R wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? I'm not sure there

[WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs

2005-02-17 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ Browsers: Safari 1.2 Netscape (which ever version you might have) Firefox 1+ Please send the screen grabs directly to me. Please dont send

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread ByteDreams
I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are... ByteDreams - Original Message - From: Dean Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Hopkins Programming
There is some CSS3 support in Firefox and maybe Opera, I believe. --Zachary On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:22 -0500, ByteDreams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would

Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs

2005-02-17 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls guys ;) to help me out. Can you please send me a screen grab of the following url http://www.parachute.com/te/smallbusiness/ Heard of http://www.browsercam.com/ perhaps? Jeroen PS: your character encoding is going bazerk (windows-1250?),

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:02:22 -0500, ByteDreams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? Yes. Experiments, some using CSS3, are in CSS section on literarymoose.info Gecko support some

RE: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - Thx

2005-02-17 Thread Jacobus van Niekerk
Thanks I got what I needed. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, I need the MAC girls

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Connolley
(BOn 16 Feb 2005, at 22:16, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: (B (B Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and (B #148; in normal text. (B $B!m(B - The double prime. U+2033. The inch $B!l(B - The prime. U+2032. The foot (Bhttp://mathworld.wolfram.com/DoublePrime.html (B

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Connolley
Additionally: Taken from http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/intro/sgmltut.html which is an overview of looking at SGML Content model definitions The content model describes what may be contained by an instance of an element type. Content model definitions may include: The names of allowed or

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Chris W. Parker
Paul Connolley mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:52 AM said: Emphasis on Document text - PCDATA. Text **may** contain character references. This doesn't imply that all of the four main html entities have to be encoded (, , , and ). Note this document originally

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
I've just asked the W3C Validator. Test based on XHTML Strict. PCDATA, document text (plike that/p): allows '' and '' everywhere, allows, but warns about '' with non-letter after it (' ', 'tag', '123', '# ' are fine), does not allow '' followed by a letter. CDATA, attribute text (a href=this

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Lachlan Hardy
ByteDreams wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? I sure would like to try some experimental stuff with these tags if there are... Try Blake Scarborough's piece from last November: Looking Around

RE: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more

2005-02-17 Thread Juha-Markku Liikala
Hi to all! Just a little off-topic... I think that there might be many people who don't know about this service: http://www.browsercam.com/ It's a site where you can get screen caps of your site from a large variety of browsers and different system configurations. It's not free, but there is a

[WSG] Site Review Please

2005-02-17 Thread Levi
Howdy, I've been coming signed up only a few weeks here and have read only two dozen or so topics, mainly because I've been working on a new site and have had midterms to study for (UCF student in Orlando). The site was completed on the 11th though I am still working on backend PHP functionality.

[WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Tatham Oddie
Guys n Gals, Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would have to say about the way Ive achieved the text wrapping. The screen reader output in Fangs seems perfect so

Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Levi
Checked in IE 6.x SP2 and FF1.x (pc), loooks good in both. I like the way you did the text wrapping. Why did you use 9 divs instead of 5 though? you only have 4 lines of text and that empty line. Was it just so that if the text size was made much smaller it'll still wrap nicely? On Fri, 18 Feb

Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Jan Brasna
Hi Tatham, the layout breaks in Opera 7.54u2/Win (the background is weirdly positioned). Safari 1.1 and FF 1.0/Mac looks OK. IE 5.23/Mac badly positions the main content area (some negative margins/positions?). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! -

Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Carmelyne Thompson
Looks fine on netscape 7 but this is how it looks like on Opera7.52 http://wapcss.com/whatcan.gif - Carmelyne Thompson Itd be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page but Im interested in what people would

Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

2005-02-17 Thread Terrence Wood
why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. Terrence Wood. Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to

Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more

2005-02-17 Thread Zachary Hopkins
COOL!!! (O_O) Yarr! I'm going to have to work on some of those.. (o_o) *Specifically, IE5/Mac and Netscape 4.x/All. IE4/Win is blank, wonder why? Very nice tool! I do wish it was free though... --Zachary Hopkins Juha-Markku Liikala wrote: Hi to all! Just a little off-topic... I think that there

Re: [WSG] Need some MAC screen grabs - And some more

2005-02-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Netscape 4.x/All. IE4/Win is blank, wonder why? I'd say what I think about these browsers, but that kind of language is forbidden on this list ;) Use @import to hide CSS from these browsers. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Novitski
At 03:40 PM 2/17/2005, Tatham Oddie wrote: It’d be greatly appreciated if you could do a site review of http://www.whatcanido.com.au/www.whatcanido.com.au. Currently there is only a holding page – but I’m interested in what people would have to say about the way I’ve achieved the text wrapping.

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 18 Feb 2005, at 2:42 am, Kornel Lesinski wrote: I'm a newbie, I admit, so allow me to ask a dumb question. Are there any browsers currently supporting some of these CSS3 modules? Yes. Experiments, some using CSS3, are in CSS section on literarymoose.info Gecko support some CSS3 selectors,

Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

2005-02-17 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Terrence Wood wrote: why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. ... Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the

RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Tatham Oddie
Levi, You read my mind! Yeah - that was the basic reason. Thanks a lot for the assistance. Tat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review:

RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Tatham Oddie
Great. Yet not so great Thanks a lot for your assistance Carmelyne. Tat From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carmelyne Thompson Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 11:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review:

[WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread simon dodson
can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie any help much appreciated ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

[WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread simon dodson
sorry forgot the url - http://www.tyalgumstore.com.au/temp.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

RE: [WSG] Site Review: whatcanido.com.au

2005-02-17 Thread Tatham Oddie
Paul, Thanks for the browser help... In some ways I am also objecting to the way I used the spacers, but think it was the most elegant solution that I could find. I checked it using Fangs, and the screen reader output seems perfect. The only other option I could think of was to use divs or

RE: [WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread Nick Cowie
anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie Try adding list-style-image: (url (images/dot.gif); to #c #list should fix it, can't give a logical explanation, it is to do with inheritance and specificity. And FF and IE using

Re: [WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread Zachary Hopkins
It's in your CSS. I am working on trying to find the specific answer. It may be caused by incorrect css references through double id's.. I will send word when I find more. --Zachary simon dodson wrote: can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working

Re: [WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread Zachary Hopkins
Under #c #list, removing, float:left; width: 128px; will make the bullets work, but they hide behind the picture. --Zachary simon dodson wrote: can anyone tell me why the list bullets are not showing in ie6. they appear to be working in firefox bar ie any help much appreciated

Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-17 Thread John Horner
Thanks very much for that, Dejan. Choose charset UTF-8 (not UTF-8 BOM) when saving. Can you explain the difference? Don't forget to mark up properly the Vietnamese content with div lang=vi or such... Now the one easy thing about this project is that Vietnamese already contains all the unaccented

Re: [WSG] silly question

2005-02-17 Thread Zachary Hopkins
Working code: + #c #list{ float:left; width: 128px; margin: 20px 0 0 0; padding: 0 0 0 25px; font-weight: bold; list-style-image: url(images/dot.gif); } + *I believe your more global _ul_ command _#c ul_ might be causing your problems.*

Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-17 Thread woric
Choose charset UTF-8 (not UTF-8 BOM) when saving. Can you explain the difference? Hi John, yes I'd be glad to explain the difference. When saving in UTF, a Byte Order Mark (or BOM) can be added to signify which type Unicode follows. The bad news is that the BOM may make the file unreadable

[WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?

2005-02-17 Thread J. DesGeorges
Hi List, long time lurker who is trying to get more courageous with CSS. I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method : style type=text/css media=screen !-- @import url(p7pm/p7pmh10.css); -- /style

Re: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?

2005-02-17 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
Thanks for your message Kerry Sorry for not picking up, I'm in a telecon at the moment. I will have a look at the quote and the scheduling over the weekend and I should be able to get a response to you by Monday/Tuesday. There will be many increases in effeciency, but I'll attempt to put some

Re: [WSG] linking to style sheet - how best?

2005-02-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
J. DesGeorges wrote: I am wondering what is the consensus for calling a style sheet. The @import rule or the link href method ... I am confused as to the merits of both. If you can point me to a resource that discusses this issue I would really appreciate it. This might help: