RE: [WSG] Argh! Clearing issues with center column

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks awesomely for all those who helped point me in the right direction. After attempting innumerable hacks I finally found the one I wanted. For those who are interested the problem was, naturally, an IE bug. The less famous 'italic' bug to be precise. Usually this bug only manifests itself

[WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Is there any way to specify a max width for content of pre tags?Currently the content of my pre tagsdoes not automatically wrap when theparent div is at an end - it just keeps on running until it finds the end of the line. I know the idea of the pre tag is to display the content as it is,

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Street
codeprecontent/pre/code Gives you an alternate parent element which you can then set to scroll or whatever, preventing the content from spilling out across your layout generally. I think. On 10/24/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to specify a max

RE: [WSG] List item overlap

2005-10-24 Thread Alex James
Title: Message Taco wrote: I have this list item on http://www.lrp.com.au/admin/(main navigation) it overlaps,I would like it to just continue underneath without overlapping, is that possible? Also removed the left and right padding on #navigation_main li, #navigation_sub li, should stop

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Head Chief ,CEO - Poseidon Design Studio
you think hmm, take a look at my content on http://www.mcville.net in a IE browser the content is sliding under the navigation bar LOL :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread patboens
Hi, The easiest way to define this is to create a division whose overflow attribute is set to auto. example: div style=overflow:auto;width=500px; pre whatever code you want /pre /div Hope it helps. Pat Boens http://www.fastwrite.com -Original Message- Is there any way to

[WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread alejandro poch
Hi there Following one of the links of the mailing list I found the Webmaster Guidelines for Google (http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/guidelines.html). One of the Technical Guidelines is to use a text browser such as Lynx to examine your site, because most search engine spiders see

[WSG] CSS Block for menu buttons Active Area in IE.

2005-10-24 Thread Gareth Houston
Hi Everyone, I have created a very basic CSS Menu. I am having a problem with the active area for the link. In Firefox the block acts as the link and a rollover effect is given when the cursor is over any part of the block, which is what i want. In IE the text only is active part and not the rest

Re: [WSG] CSS Block for menu buttons Active Area in IE.

2005-10-24 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gareth Houston wrote: Hi Everyone, I have created a very basic CSS Menu. I am having a problem with the active area for the link. In Firefox the block acts as the link and a rollover effect is given when the cursor is over any part of the block, which is what i want. In IE the text only is

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread Hassan Schroeder
alejandro poch wrote: But recently I found that the Opera browser has an option to view your web in the way a text browser should do ( View/Style/User/Emulate Text Browser). Do anyone knows if the Lynx's browser is something like this option? Uh, something like. Sorta. Well, not maybe that

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread Terrence Wood
The major gotcha with Operas text view is that it preserves table (columnar) structure where lynx just runs them all together. Try a precompiled binary: http://csant.info/lynx.htm or a lynx viewer: http://www.yellowpipe.com/yis/tools/lynx/lynx_viewer.php kind regards Terrence Wood.

Re: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-24 Thread Terrence Wood
Thierry Koblentz said: Ian Rifkin wrote: It won't work if javascript is off. I'm not sure about that. I believe it still works with script disabled. It does up until XP SP2 where they changed the rules A site will have to be trusted for CSS expression to work where JS is off. kind

[WSG] box within a box IE Fix for fluid CSS designs

2005-10-24 Thread Gareth Houston
Hi everyone, I am having more problems with fluid CSS designs for an e-commerce site. Info 2 column layout for main content. I have a fixed box to the left. And a box set to 100% to the right. I have created a box within a box for the box to the left to prevent IE adding the left margin.

Re: [WSG] box within a box IE Fix for fluid CSS designs

2005-10-24 Thread Head Chief ,CEO - Poseidon Design Studio
when you solve this email me :) o and btw I'm hacking this atm : http://www.mcville.net -look at it in IE :( - ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
alejandro poch wrote: But recently I found that the Opera browser has an option to view your web in the way a text browser should do ( View/Style/User/Emulate Text Browser). Do anyone knows if the Lynx's browser is something like this option? I do have Lynx 2.8.5 running, but I use Opera to

[WSG] users changing text sizes

2005-10-24 Thread csslist
like on http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2202658any good tuts on it anywhere?thanks

Re: [WSG] users changing text sizes

2005-10-24 Thread Terrence Wood
you want a font-size switcher or stylesheet switcher. here's a starting point: http://source.mihelac.org/notebook/styleswitcher/ kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Street
(Yep. Or, if it's code -- I only really ever use pre for that -- as per my example previously, with the same styles.) On 10/25/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The easiest way to define this is to create a division whose overflow attribute is set to auto. example: div

[WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-24 Thread Mike Brown
http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind

Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-10-24 Thread Samuel Richardson
Another classic Signify Website, good work Mike :D Samuel Richardson Mike Brown wrote: http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant.

Re: [WSG] users changing text sizes

2005-10-24 Thread csslist
thanks :)From: "Terrence Wood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:15 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] users changing text sizesyou want a font-size switcher or stylesheet switcher.here's a starting point:http://source.mihelac.org/notebook/styleswitcher/kind

[WSG] Is position:absolute legal in a floated div? relates to a Footer problem in NS7

2005-10-24 Thread Ben Wrighton - StraightForward
Hi all, I know NS7 is basically dead but it also generally has complaint rendering. What it did to my page and my subsequent understanding of the problem made me wonder if the others (Ffox, IE and Opera) were just being more forgiving. The issue is that the footer and BW image divs in this

Re: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-24 Thread Al Sparber
Terrence Wood wrote: Thierry Koblentz said: Ian Rifkin wrote: It won't work if javascript is off. I'm not sure about that. I believe it still works with script disabled. It does up until XP SP2 where they changed the rules A site will have to be trusted for CSS expression to work where

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Other than a scroll bar (overflow) there is no solution? The reason I need to use pre is that the content comes from a database that doesn't use HTML br's, but normal linebreaks. So to format the text correctly I need to put it in pre tags, but of course I want it to still fit into the rest

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Street
http://www.joahua.com/random/pretest.html Play around with the web developer's toolbar in Firefox... I can't figure out a way to make it work as you want it to (though it's possible to style it so it doesn't look like preformatted text, demonstrated in the link). If it's coming from a database,

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Jachin Sheehy
If I understand you correctly, you want pre with word-wrap? pre should only be used when the text you want to display is infact preformatted, such as indented code. Applying word-wrap to such text would be by definition to format it (and thus render in un-preformatted (sic)). If the text from

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
If you're using PHP/mySQL then you could always write a simple function like below, or use PHP's built-in nl2br() function. //Clean-up function to remove BRs and whitespace from data wihtout hurting the HTML function nl2br_skip_html($string) { // remove any carriage

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Kevin Futter
On 25/10/05 1:59 PM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Other than a scroll bar (overflow) there is no solution? The reason I need to use pre is that the content comes from a database that doesn't use HTML br's, but normal linebreaks. So to format the text correctly

Re: [WSG] Emulating text browser

2005-10-24 Thread wsg_alantrik
Does anyone actually use lynx anymore though (except sysadmins who haven't realises that VMS is not the lastest thing out there)? AFAIK links, w3m, and other text browsers are far more popular. All these other browsers preserve table structure. Alan Trick Terrence Wood wrote: The major gotcha

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Normally I would do that, but in this particular case I was hoping not to use server-side formatting of the content. But it seems I will have to revert to that. I have never had any use for the pre tag. Now I thought I finally had my chance and it turns out to be a really useless tag. DAMN! :)

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Joshua Street
On 10/25/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally I would do that, but in this particular case I was hoping not to use server-side formatting of the content. But it seems I will have to revert to that. I have never had any use for the pre tag. Now I thought I

Re: [WSG] Is position:absolute legal in a floated div? relates to a Footer problem in NS7

2005-10-24 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 25 Oct 2005, at 11:11 am, Ben Wrighton - StraightForward wrote: After some testing I isolated the float: right; ( to make content 1st in source) and display: inline (which is in there for IE 's double margin bug and will be placed in a IE specific stylesheet in due course) styles as

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
Am I the only one getting blank replies from Joshua? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 3:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 10/24/05 10:06 PM Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: On 10/25/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally I would do that, but in this particular case I was hoping not to use server-side formatting of the content. But it seems I will have to

Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 10/24/05 10:31 PM Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Am I the only one getting blank replies from Joshua? I think there're a bunch of funny characters in his posts as I recently posted. Possibly some unicode thing-a-maroo? I can't read his messages.