[WSG] how important are validation-programs?

2006-03-03 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
I feel good when a validation-program could not find any failures, cause it gives me a secure feeling that at least the basics of standards are complied. But how important is the validation with tools like hera or the w3c-validators realy? Let's take an example: After a CSS-validation made by

Re:[WSG] how important are validation-programs?

2006-03-03 Thread McIvor Lee
Hi Soeren, That will only appear as a warning in the validator anyway, which I assume is just there as a reminder in case you've forgotten to specify an appropriate background-color which will allow enough contrast. As you've said though, in this case it obviously doesn't matter. I would just

Re: [WSG] testing tips

2006-03-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/03/03 02:27 Steve Olive apparently typed: Epiphany/Galeon which both use the Firefox rendering engine. There is no Firefox rendering engine. Epiphany, Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox, Galeon, K-Meleon, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x 7.x, SeaMonkey and others use the Mozilla/5.0 rendering engine, known

Re: [WSG] how important are validation-programs?

2006-03-03 Thread Ric Raftis
As someone else has already said, they are only warnings. However, if you are pushing standards to clients and they view the results, it is a good idea to have no warnings or errors. Best way around this I have found is to use background-color: inherit; and the warning will be removed.

RE: [WSG] Floats and boxes that jump

2006-03-03 Thread Ben Logan
Hi Georg It would appear that your fix for the floating container (by removing the height) has also fixed the IE 5.0 bug I was experiencing. Just tested it now on browser cam Win2k IE5.0 and the boxes no longer drop down on the page. Cheers for all your help! Ben -Original Message-

Re: [WSG] how important are validation-programs?

2006-03-03 Thread Roger Herbert
The validator will help resolve and prevent those unexpected results in your work, such as an element being the wrong colour because it's inheriting values from somewhere you hadn't anticipated. In that case, explicitly setting the colour will make sure it's set to the value you're

Re: [WSG] Display Issue Squash Request (pvdebeitel.com)

2006-03-03 Thread Rob Mientjes
On 03/03/06, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following coding errors: Line 13 - Empty span tags Intentional. It's a design decision, but the result isn't there yet. I might even take it out when I'm done, but for now it's okay. Line 60 - Unclosed img tag Line 89 - Unclosed img tag I

[WSG] problem with border-bottom in mozilla/netscape

2006-03-03 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
Mozilla and Netscape do not display border-bottom: 1px solid #bbb; in the navigation-list in the 'li': Forums (first right box). Does anybody know why ? Link: http://www.webnauts.net/redesign Besides, Konqueror positions the legend-element too much to the left. For example he displays

Re: [WSG] DOM Scripting

2006-03-03 Thread Darren West
Thanks Richard and Jesse for your earlier help, thats all working now. I hope you don't mind but I could do with your assistance again :-) I am now trying to clear the default value of a field (which works fine) and then restore the default value if there is no user input. The problem is I get

Re: [WSG] problem with border-bottom in mozilla/netscape

2006-03-03 Thread Darren West
Is caused by applying the line-height to the body (http://www.positioniseverything.net/gecko/mozshift.html) DazOn 03/03/06, Soeren Mordhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mozilla and Netscape do not display border-bottom: 1px solid #bbb; inthe navigation-list in the 'li': Forums (first right

Re: [WSG] problem with border-bottom in mozilla/netscape

2006-03-03 Thread Al Kendall
Soeren, In Firefox/1.5.0.1 it has a bottom border [1], although it apears to be missing the left and right borders [2].[1] first.png[2] second.png (with mouse over) On 3/3/06, Soeren Mordhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mozilla and Netscape do not display border-bottom: 1px solid #bbb; inthe

Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification verify#kdWfF4HBUy_SYGJC5A3KzB6MKspDh3nM

2006-03-03 Thread vinod chandnani
On 3/2/06, adam LEAPER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: vinod chandnani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Your email requires

Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-03 Thread Drew Trusz
On 3/2/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, A new site I recently developed the front-end for over the past few months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I wanted to get some feedback about the usability, accessibility and over functionality in

[WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly

2006-03-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
I don't know how many of you have tried IE7(currently Beta 2) yet, but It has a number of 'features' that could cause some issues / solve some issues, I thought I would list those that i've experienced and see if I can get some comments on them: * More informative Error Pages. As a

Re: [WSG] Ads breaking Compliancy

2006-03-03 Thread James Bennett
On 3/3/06, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem, is that they give you non-standards code, onMouseOver status bar changes, etc etc but you aren't allowed to change the code, for its against their TOS. This is somewhat tangential, but for a while I've been toying with the

Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly

2006-03-03 Thread liorean
On 03/03/06, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how many of you have tried IE7(currently Beta 2) yet, but It has a number of 'features' that could cause some issues / solve some issues, I thought I would list those that i've experienced and see if I can get some comments on

Re: [WSG] problem with border-bottom in mozilla/netscape

2006-03-03 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
Thank you Darren! Problem is fixed. I added a line-height of 100% to the navigation-list. Thank you Al for the nice screen-shots! Now there are borders on the left and right site :) Greetings, Soeren ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] testing tips

2006-03-03 Thread Jason Foss
Thanks for the link to TAW3 Steve, haven't seen that one before. Shall have to ckeck it out! I know this costs money, but an account with Browsercan cam make this process much easier as well. Just submit a couple of URLs from your site, come back in a little while and check the display in more

Re: [WSG] testing tips

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Olive
On 03/03/2006, at 8:09 PM, Felix Miata wrote: On 06/03/03 02:27 Steve Olive apparently typed: Epiphany/Galeon which both use the Firefox rendering engine. There is no Firefox rendering engine. Epiphany, Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox, Galeon, K-Meleon, Mozilla, Netscape 6.x 7.x, SeaMonkey and

[WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? Respectfully, Chris

Re: [WSG] Display Issue Squash Request (pvdebeitel.com)

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Olive
On 03/03/2006, at 9:44 PM, Rob Mientjes wrote: How about now? IE okay (I worry about IE a lot, as 95% of the audience will be using IE. And yes, I will put a pro-Firefox button in the backend)? -Rob** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Joshua Street
On 3/4/06, Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? Georgia uses pretty much the same shape for o, 0 and O, but lower-case is small, zero is bigger, and capital is

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/03/03 18:30 Chris Kennon apparently typed: A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? Upper case O

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread James Bennett
On 3/3/06, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? My first

Re: [WSG] Display Issue Squash Request (pvdebeitel.com)

2006-03-03 Thread Steve Olive
On 04/03/2006, at 10:41 AM, Rob Mientjes wrote: On 04/03/06, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much more consistent across the browsers ;-) Is that good or bad? Your wink makes me wonder. It does look like font resizing allows for much more change than before, if you mean that. I played

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Christian Montoya
On 3/3/06, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? If the

Re: [WSG] how important are validation-programs?

2006-03-03 Thread David Hucklesby
Soeren Mordhorst wrote: In this case my question would be: Why should I define a background-color, if the background-color that should be used is already defined in the body-element? Short answer - because the validator only checks one rule at a time. It does not remember you had already

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Lea de Groot
On 04/03/2006, at 1:51 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: If the concern is that the number 0 would be excused for the letter O in a block of text, I can see the issue, but I'm certain that English style manuals say that one digit numbers like 0 in sentences should be spelled out. My main bugbear

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Paul Novitski
At 03:30 PM 3/3/2006, Chris Kennon wrote: A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? Checking quickly:

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Vicki Berry
Lea de Groot wrote: My main bugbear with such issues is things like Captchas. Captchas... argh! A web accessibility blight on the face of the earth. :-) My own main bugbear is in product serial numbers where there is a mixture of numbers and letters. It's all very well knowing that O

Re: [WSG] o 0

2006-03-03 Thread Joshua Street
On 3/4/06, Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own main bugbear is in product serial numbers where there is a mixture of numbers and letters. It's all very well knowing that O is rounder than 0, but if you don't have one of each to compare, it can be very hit-and-miss. I'm sure there must