Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-19 Thread Lachlan Hardy
If you have the capacity, I advise installing your own local copy. Instructions are available from the W3C: http://validator.w3.org/docs/install.html There are similar instructions for the CSS validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/DOWNLOAD.html Thanks! Lachlan Hardy

[WSG] Validation

2008-06-19 Thread Fuji kusaka
Can someone help me out with this validation? this is a javascript for my menu which is inside my html page. *Line 154, Column 39*: document type does not allow element li here. $back = $('li class=back**div class=left/div/li').appendTo ✉

Re: [WSG] Validation

2008-06-19 Thread Seona Bellamy
At a guess, I'd say that the problem is caused by having your javascript in the head of your document, which makes the validator try to parse it (and so find li's in the head, where no li's should be). Simplest solution would be to move your javascript into an external file and just link it into

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread jody tate
After much googling around (I was fascinated by this question) and much reading of various W3C documents here and there, I can say with about 97.3% certainty that the W3C has never drafted a recommendation that standardized file extensions. Most of their recommendations include URI

Re: [WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-06-19 Thread Brad Pollard
Thanks Nate for the links. I really want to focus on the usability impacts of pop-ups. I'd love to see the AGIMO research that was done - do you have the name of someone within the organisation that I could contact with regards to sourcing this? ~ brad Ward, Nathan wrote: Hi Brad, I don't

[WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is perfect for this case. Whats your views on this, anyone actually did it before?

RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
jody tate Most of their recommendations include URI examples that use the .html extension and the site itself appears to use .html extensions: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/Cover.html. In fact, there's some advice that advocates ditching file extensions altogether for future-proofing

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Persson
Poetry is art and its really ugly to even try to mark it correctly. There must be something that would work though and i have actually tried with a really bad result.. http://kevinmcgeary.com/essay.html With inherit and ems mixed with p there must be a way also where beginning letter would be

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Well yes, you could mark it up as XML behind the scenes, but you shouldn't be sending XML to the browser. They might or might not be able to cope with it, but you'd be breaking validation (unless you used XHTML sent as actual XML and start namespacing things). In simple terms, I'd mark up

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Cordover
I would suggest that this is pre. Poetry is generally so display-specific that you couldn't hope to mark it up, I'd say. Michael On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 19:08, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
True. I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems though. Not checked if WG are doing anything in HTML 5 - i think they are. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Michael Cordover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that this is pre. Poetry is generally so

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
Just another resource for those interested: http://signified.com.au/a-poem-element-for-html5/ On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:53 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems though. Not checked if WG are doing anything

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Jon Tan
On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is perfect for this case. Whats your views on

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Jonathan D'mello
To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I recently started noticing

RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Jonathan D'mello To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. The core tenet of web standards is to choose the most semantically/structurally appropriate way to

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread César Páris
And the other excuse is that is that everybody use it. Just ask for proves of that (both the standards and the numbers). Weak developers hide under this false statements to avoid doing their job. P.S. If they ask for your proves, you only have to show them the W3C pages. They are in html, so

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Ben Buchanan
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. It depends on the form, really. For most poetry, I think paragraphs with line breaks are appropriate. If the poem requires very specific positioning, pre would be the first option as that doesn't rely on CSS. Finally if all else

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
Are you sure they're not right? I'd make them prove it Joe On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:11, Jonathan D'mello wrote: To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. On

RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan D'mello To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they say it will break W3C standards. Sorry, I just re-read this and realised that I completely

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Jon Tan
On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
Very good! But I have to say they all sound the same. Did anyone spot any differences? I think there may have been a difference in the second one but can't be sure. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Jon Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread jody tate
I'd stress what Jon Tan wrote: My recommendation would be p for stanzas and br / line breaks for most verse. Stanzas are usually taught as the paragraph of poetry and verses are referred to as line breaks. Side note you're free to ignore: I'd argue most of the historical bits below are

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-19 Thread Rob Enslin
Many thanks for all the input. Now for the fun part... go back to the CMS vendor who made the claim and ask for some proof ;-) Have a great day/night. Rob 2008/6/19 Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jonathan D'mello To go off on a tangent

Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-19 Thread Matijs
Best tip for me for ages, thanks man! On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Gonzalo González Mora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Hayden's Harness Attachment [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Intranet site I wish to put through the HTML validator. How do I validate

RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Bennett
select custom install and install it to another directory (something like /Mozilla/Firefox3) and the two will run side-by-side. You can do this with Opera too. :) Paul *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Andrew Harris
A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not? I'd probably be throwing in a cite attribute too :-) http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/blockquote/cite -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~

[WSG] unsubscribe

2008-06-19 Thread Cazabon, Margaret (DPS)
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Re: [WSG] unsubscribe

2008-06-19 Thread Gonzalo González Mora
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Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I look after a poetry ezine site ( http://www.foame.org/) and that¹s what I do. For a lot of poets, the look of their poem on the page is very important. Sometimes they want to make visual patterns with their stanzas ... always a bit hit and miss, depending on browsers/platforms etc. And then

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andrew Harris wrote: A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not? Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-,

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Bennett
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) Don't you mean: blockquote cite=me Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) /blockquote :) *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Bennett
Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Matthew Hodgson
not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 20 June 2008 12:12 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems Must

Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-19 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
Thank you all. After installing Firefox 3.0 and the web developer 1.6, I went to http://www.tereasangas.com and it seemed to work with my screen reader just fine and I used the webdeveloper toolbar to validate the web site. The W3C Validator gave a failed validation message;

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;) not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party Is that why what you say most often makes no sense? :-) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List

Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terasengas.com%2FHomes%2Fdefault.htm I am really confused. Can anyone explain? What the validator says: There's one end-tag too many for a link on line 91. Delete one /A in that line.