Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread David Dorward
James Jeffery wrote: Thanks for the heads up guys. I know how to use blockquote, that's not an issue, but I'm wondering if using cite would be worth it. I won't be storing the URL from the original page. If I did citing the orig. page that could get me into a while lot of trouble if I am

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: I'm running into big rendering differences between Google Chrome and Safari 3.1/PC. They are said to render pages the same, given that they're using the same Webkit engine. They're using the WebKit engine, not necessarily the same version. Safari is at version 3.2.1 last

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Adam Martin
Yes I don't think this is the place to ask advise on illegal matters. Scraping content from websites that you do not have permission from is copyright infringement. The fact that you don't want to cite the original source inidcates to me that you are building this site for some financial gain

RE: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bringing it all back to the core question: cite is an optional attribute, so can be omitted when using the blockquote element. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
I think this comes down more to which font rasterisation engine a system is using. I don’t think Safari on Windows for example has full access to AAT and Quartz and thus will render type using ClearType and GDI on Windows. Add Firefox into the mix which uses Cairo and you’ll get different

[WSG] pos- relative or margin?

2009-01-08 Thread Naveen Bhaskar
Hi, I want to know which is the best method. I have seen a page where all the divs are positioned with position relative and with top , bottom attributes  instead of margin.. Is this a good method? There is no browser compatibility issues while using this where as when using margin properties 

Re: [WSG] pos- relative or margin?

2009-01-08 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
Using top and left properties in positioning is fine; using rel, pos+, and absolute positioning for columns can actually be better than using floats in that objects that expand past the width of a floated object will not disrupt the layout of the page by bumping nearby floats down the

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Johan Douma
Hi everybody, Even though Chrome is based on Webkit, Chrome actually uses another graphics/rendering engine (the drawing layer) called Skia (source code: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/skia/). A bit like the javascript engines, Google didn't use webkits' javascript engine

Re: [WSG] pos- relative or margin?

2009-01-08 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Naveen Bhaskar wrote: I have seen a page where all the divs are positioned with position relative and with top , bottom attributes instead of margin.. Is this a good method? Depends entirely on the actual layout. I often use both relative offset and margin push/pull on the same elements.

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Johan Douma
Just though I'd let you know about this, I actually think this is a pretty serious problem, because it breaks a lot of scripts and doesn't conform with the other browsers even though it conforms to the javascript spec. V8 (chrome's js engine) can take the values in an array in a random order. If

RE: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-08 Thread michael.brockington
I think you may have missed the point of the earlier question - What can flash bring to the learning environment that cannot be done with HTML, CSS and JavaScript? Regards, Mike PS: Please print and keep this email, as all paper these days comes from managed forests, and therefore more trees

RE: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread michael.brockington
Any script that relies on an array being ordered, without actually doing a sort() is seriously deficient. As you mentioned yourself, this behaviour is entirely in agreement with the JS spec. Regards, Mike From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread James Jeffery
This is the Internet mate, the site owners of the sites I'm to be scraping use the same methods. If I was to cite that site it would be wrong anyway because they don't even own all the content. If there is a financial gain, why sit back and let someone else gain from it? I know a guy that does

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Johan Douma
I said indeed serious problem, although that is indeed debatable. for in should indeed be used carefully, it's not quite reliable and browsera all have different behaviours, although chrome's behaviour is the most unreliable (if we can call it like that) due to the order of elements returned.

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Adam Martin
last comment I will make on the matter - but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... nor does the media that you use.. the Internet still operates within the laws of the country where you conduct business. James Jeffery wrote: This is the Internet mate, the

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Christian Montoya
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Johan Douma Sent: 08 January 2009 11:22 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they? Just though I'd let you know about this, I actually think this is a

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... indeed... but I'm losing track of what exactly this has to do with standards? Andrew *** List

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread James Jeffery
It doesn't. I was supposed to email off list. Back to the question. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Andrew Maben and...@andrewmaben.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... indeed... but I'm

RE: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-08 Thread Christie Mason
Exactly right. I've sadly watched Flash take over eLearning and still haven't figured out the attraction, except that it offers the control of PPT while appearing to be rich.There's only a very few types of web sites that still use Flash for delivering primary content - media sites, those

Re: [WSG] pos- relative or margin?

2009-01-08 Thread Michael Turnwall
People use position:relative instead of margins to help avoid margin collapse. Here's some links in case you aren't familiar with margin collapse. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#collapsing-margins http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/11/no_margin_for_error/ Michael Turnwall for all

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:36:45 +1100, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: Hi experts, I'm running into big rendering differences between Google Chrome and Safari 3.1/PC. They are said to render pages the same, given that they're using the same Webkit engine. The differences seem to be mainly due to the

RE: [WSG] Chrome and Safari render the same...or do they?

2009-01-08 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Hi all, thanks for your suggestions. I'm attaching a side-by-side comparison of a snippet of the page since I cannot put any code live, hoping the attachment gets delivered. Safari is on the left, Chrome on the right. If you cannot see the attachment, it shows how the graphical background