[WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread designer
Can anyone point me to the best way of providing a 'skip nav' procedure which is invisible to sighted readers but is picked up by screen readers? It seems a can of worms - I've searched and read about it, but (of course) it is impossible to find out which way is recommended by real world web de

Re: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Nancy Johnson
Might I suggest article from Webaim.org http://www.webaim.org/techniques/skipnav/ Don't forget about the mobility impaired user as well. Nancy On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:36 AM, designer wrote: > Can anyone point me to the best way of providing a 'skip nav' procedure > which is invisible to sighte

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Steve Green
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible to screen readers and are displayed when they have focus so they are accessible to sighted users who use keyboard navigation. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-10-28 Thread Richard Mather
Hi Bob, According to Wikipedia, the UK Government recommends accesskey="s" for skip nav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_key#Use_of_standard_access_key_mappings Rich 2009/10/29 > * > WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-10-28 Thread ピエールランリ・ラヴィン
Actually is not enough. Accesskey is a good way about the accessibility, but it's not completed. I didn't check the latest WCAG and the latest version of screen readers but: * Keyboards shortcuts depend from the UA (the specifications didn't define it) * Users may define preferences keys * Mo

[WSG] Accessibility and HTML Emails

2009-10-28 Thread kris wright
Hi everyone, I work in a small web shop in Canada. We have recently been discussing HTML formatted emails, and accessibility standards or best practices. We have been struggling a little bit, as we often work with WCAG 1 and 2 as baseline standards for web page accessibility. However, WCAG standa

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and HTML Emails

2009-10-28 Thread S.R. Emerson
You can have a look at The Email Standards Project http://www.email-standards.org/ for information. Also, if you want to build a set of guidelines that will work in the future, you might want to read these two: Microsoft to ignore web standards in Outlook 2010 - enough is enough http://www.emai

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Mark Huppert
Steve One way to do it is make a transparent gif of 1px x 1px. Then embed that in your link with no text. Have an ALT or a TITLE with 'skip navigation' regards Mark Mark Huppert Library Systems and Web Coordinator Division of Information R.G. Menzie

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Mark Huppert
spot the typo regards Mark _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Huppert Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 10:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links Steve One way to do it is make a transparent

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Steve Green
A 1-pixel image works for screen reader users but it is no use for sighted people who use keyboard navigation. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Huppert Sent: 28 October 2009 23:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] sk

RE: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Mark Huppert
Thanks for that Steve - but I was trying answer the question: "Can anyone point me to the best way of providing a 'skip nav' procedure which is invisible to sighted readers " regards Mark _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Steve

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and HTML Emails

2009-10-28 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/10/28 17:37 (GMT-0400) kris wright composed: > email clients vary > wildly in their HTML rendering capabilities, and on occasion actually modify > your HTML code makes things even more confusing. Email is supposed to be text communication. Web pages are web pages. If you want your email r

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and HTML Emails

2009-10-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Felix Miata wrote: Email is supposed to be text communication. And yet, remarkably, there's multipart/alternative as a MIME type. Go figure. -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com webtuitive design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com twitter: @h

Re: [WSG] skip links

2009-10-28 Thread Joseph Taylor
Mark, I just add something like this to things that are for mobile/text-only: .noscreen { text-index: -3000px; } Skip Link It's not perfect (keyboard users with a full blown browser will have to tab through them but won't see the links) but combining that concept with a little user

RE: [WSG] skip links

Understood. I was addressing the common misconception that skip links are only for screen reader users. Bob may have had a reason for phrasing the question the way he did, but it probably should have been phrased differently. _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsg

RE: [WSG] skip links

I've been always under the impression that sighted users surfing with a keyboard, have it easier to realize if there's a Skip Navigation link (since nothing gets on focus) and it's easier for them to navigate with tab key, so it's not such a burden. I mean, suffering the navigation on a screen rea