Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Great to see that someone has finally helped MS technologies adhere to the standards that the open source world has supported for years now. A step in the right direction, deserving congratulations, but only a small step. Although Oxite may be "open source" in the strictest sense of the term, being .Net based it has dependencies on the MS Windows platform, so it's still dependent on expensive proprietary software... For those aspiring to support .Net on other platforms (e.g. efforts like Mono and Moonlight), let's not forget Microsoft's patent infringement threats on Linux and other open source software. Ultimately, open source or not, anything .Net-based exists at the discretion of Microsoft's legal team. When MS release a CMS under the GNU General Public License (the GPL is the prevalent open source license that is, essentially, "share and share alike"), then I'll be impressed, because doing so would mean that they've agreed to waive software patents on that code. Personally, given the outstanding quality and maturity of fully open source alternatives (Plone, Drupal, Alfresco, Joomla, MySourceMatrix and many others), Oxite probably only a good option for people who've already got a massive sunk cost on MS infrastructure. For everyone else, the open source stacks (LAMP/Zope/Tomcat, etc.) and platforms (Linux, *BSD, OpenSolaris) are where the action is. Kind regards, Dave On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 10:27 +1100, Anthony Milner wrote: > Glad to report that I've found a .NET site that validates XHTML 1.0 > strict (hat tip to Craig Bailey > http://www.craigbailey.net/live/post/2008/12/14/Microsoft-Oxite-coverage.aspx > for leading me to it.) > > It's the Mix Online site which is built on a Microsoft Open Source CMS > platform (yes you read that right Microsoft and open source in the > same sentence, I was also surprised) called Oxite. > http://visitmix.com/ > > Oxite is still in beta and is built on the MVC platform which appears > to be a good news story for building .NET web standards compliant > websites. > > Anthony > > > -Original Message- > > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org > [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] > > On Behalf Of Anthony Milner > > Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 > > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > > Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict > > > > Hi, > > > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or > even > > transitional)? > > > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > *** -- David Lane = Egressive Ltd = d...@egressive.com = m:+64 21 229 8147 p:+64 3 963 3733 = Linux: it just tastes better = nosoftwarepatents http://egressive.com we only use open standards: http://w3.org Effusion Group Founding Member === http://effusiongroup.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Peter Goddard wrote: > It does require more effort than just using the standard control > toolkits supplied by Microsoft [...] Additionally, there are best > practices available which enable the placing of the server > generated javascript to one area of the page (after the html) and > JSON/AJAX/MVC Framework techniques which can also help. > I think the criticisms leveled at ASP.Net are because, to get it to do things 'right', you have to go to all this extra effort you describe, when the supposed benefit of ASP.Net is that it makes life easier by hiding all this complexity from you and saving you the extra effort. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
It can be done... although hard to achieve using the webforms .net, and I found it hard to find an example! Here is one that validates xhtml strict and is .Net: http://www.miloclinic.com/ Ironically enough it's the blog that is in Wordpress that doesn't validate! Although that is easy enough to resolve, it is usually any area that is let loose to a client with a CMS that doesn't validate post-launch... :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Milner Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Hi, I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even transitional)? Thanks, Anthony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
I've built a couple XHTML 1.0 strict sites via .NET. Let me know how this goes for ya: http://careers.deloitte.com/sbf/default.aspx Regards, Spell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of silky Sent: Tue 10/7/2008 11:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Anthony Milner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even > transitional)? what does it matter what the server code is? obviously the generated content can still be whatever you like. seems like a fairly stupid quest, imho. > Thanks, > Anthony -- noon silky http://skillsforvilla.tumblr.com/ http://www.themonkeynet.com/armada/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Hi I'm a front and backend developer using .NET and it is certainly tricky to get those Visual Studio inserted items to validate. However there are some best practices for this. Use web controls with full control over the markup and the latest 3.5 version stuff certainly helps (FormView, CSS Friendly Control Adapters etc). It's not impossible and there's plenty of assistance available online. It does require more effort than just using the standard control toolkits supplied by Microsoft and there are a raft of Control providers (eg Telerik) that help. Basically, once those techniques are learned, they can be adapted to suit any site. Additionally, there are best practices available which enable the placing of the server generated javascript to one area of the page (after the html) and JSON/AJAX/MVC Framework techniques which can also help. .NET gets a lot of criticism for this and often justifiably but really it's just a tool and you know what they say about workmen and their tools Validation isn't just the province of the PHP/LAMP crowd. HTH Peter Peter Goddard Developer/Programmer PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK T: +44 (0) 191 3774742 F: +44 (0) 191 3770769 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Baker Sent: 08 October 2008 13:01 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict I'm also a front end developer working with .NET all the time. .NET is a BASTARD to get to validate. Its possible but its hard work1 Visual Studio changes case on things like "onClick" etc and whilst they are not biggies they are frustrating. As Chris pointed out it pumps out heaps of script and getting it to write out nicely formated form controls can be frustrating. Those templates look interesting, thanks Tatham. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
I'm also a front end developer working with .NET all the time. .NET is a BASTARD to get to validate. Its possible but its hard work1 Visual Studio changes case on things like "onClick" etc and whilst they are not biggies they are frustrating. As Chris pointed out it pumps out heaps of script and getting it to write out nicely formated form controls can be frustrating. Those templates look interesting, thanks Tatham. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Sorry, I didn't test whole site. most of the sub folders has error. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:43 PM, sri ni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Check the image. > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Gareth Senior <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > >> >> Tesco.com doesn't validate. >> >> The Becta one does, but it's PHP. >> >> The challenge continues! >> >> On 08/10/2008 09:33, "Foskett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Both my previous and current employer are XHTML strict: >> > >> > http://www.tesco.com/ >> > http://becta.org.uk/ >> > >> > Tesco is a .net site. >> > >> > Mike Foskett >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > On Behalf Of Anthony Milner >> > Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 >> > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> > Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they >> > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict >> > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. >> > >> > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even >> > transitional)? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Anthony >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *** >> > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > *** >> > >> > >> > >> > ---Warning >> > >> > This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may >> > monitor and record all e-mails. >> > >> > >> > >> > Disclaimer >> > This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. >> The >> > views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. >> > >> > Tesco Stores Limited >> > Company Number: 519500 >> > Registered in England >> > Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire >> EN8 9SL >> > VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 >> > >> > >> > >> > *** >> > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > *** >> > >> >> >> >> All correspondence, attachments and agreements remain strictly subject to >> fully executed contract. (c) GCap Media plc 2008. All rights remain >> reserved. This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information which may >> be confidential, subject to intellectual property protection and may be >> legally privileged and protected from disclosure and unauthorised use. It is >> intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is >> addressed and others specifically authorised to receive it. If you are not >> the intended recipient of this e-mail or any parts of it please telephone >> 020 7054 8000 immediately upon receipt. No other person is authorised to >> copy, adapt, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this e-mail in any form >> without prior specific permission in writing from an authorised >> representative of GCap Media plc. We will not accept liability for any >> claims arising as a result of the use of the internet to transmit >> information by or to GCap Media plc. >> >> GCap Media plc. Registered address: 30 Leicester Square, London WC2H 7LA. >> Registered in England & Wales with No. 923454 >> >> >> *** >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *** >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Srini Perumal > User Interface / Web Standards Evangelist > -- Thanks, Srini Perumal User Interface / Web Standards Evangelist *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Give this one a try. http://www.mddus.com I've just finished this off, I didn't do the mark up on this so please ignore the standard, the only thing to note is it's .Net and it validates. The only reason it might not validate is user content but as far as .Net code goes there should be no problem with it validating. As far as I am aware it is impossible in .Net 1.1 but feel free to try and find one that does. In .net 2 you can get it to validate but you can't use .Net forms you need to use HTML forms with your own handlers. Using .Net forms creates a load of issues, like inserting un-encoded actions as well as invalid input id's for viewstate etc. Cheers Jamie Jamie Stewart Web Developer Conscia Enterprise Systems 208 St Vincent Street Glasgow G2 5RL http://www.conscia.co.uk 2008/10/8 Gareth Senior <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Tesco.com doesn't validate. > > The Becta one does, but it's PHP. > > The challenge continues! > > On 08/10/2008 09:33, "Foskett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Both my previous and current employer are XHTML strict: > > > > http://www.tesco.com/ > > http://becta.org.uk/ > > > > Tesco is a .net site. > > > > Mike Foskett > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Anthony Milner > > Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 > > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > > Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict > > > > Hi, > > > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even > > transitional)? > > > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > > > ---Warning > > > > This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may > > monitor and record all e-mails. > > > > > > > > Disclaimer > > This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. > The > > views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. > > > > Tesco Stores Limited > > Company Number: 519500 > > Registered in England > > Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire > EN8 9SL > > VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 > > > > > > > > *** > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *** > > > > > > All correspondence, attachments and agreements remain strictly subject to > fully executed contract. (c) GCap Media plc 2008. All rights remain > reserved. This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information which may > be confidential, subject to intellectual property protection and may be > legally privileged and protected from disclosure and unauthorised use. It is > intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is > addressed and others specifically authorised to receive it. If you are not > the intended recipient of this e-mail or any parts of it please telephone > 020 7054 8000 immediately upon receipt. No other person is authorised to > copy, adapt, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this e-mail in any form > without prior specific permission in writing from an authorised > representative of GCap Media plc. We will not accept liability for any > claims arising as a result of the use of the internet to transmit > information by or to GCap Media plc. > > GCap Media plc. Registered address: 30 Leicester Square, London WC2H 7LA. > Registered in England & Wales with No. 923454 > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Tesco.com doesn't validate. The Becta one does, but it's PHP. The challenge continues! On 08/10/2008 09:33, "Foskett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both my previous and current employer are XHTML strict: > > http://www.tesco.com/ > http://becta.org.uk/ > > Tesco is a .net site. > > Mike Foskett > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Anthony Milner > Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict > > Hi, > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even > transitional)? > > Thanks, > Anthony > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > > ---Warning > > This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may > monitor and record all e-mails. > > > > Disclaimer > This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The > views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. > > Tesco Stores Limited > Company Number: 519500 > Registered in England > Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL > VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > All correspondence, attachments and agreements remain strictly subject to fully executed contract. (c) GCap Media plc 2008. All rights remain reserved. This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information which may be confidential, subject to intellectual property protection and may be legally privileged and protected from disclosure and unauthorised use. It is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is addressed and others specifically authorised to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail or any parts of it please telephone 020 7054 8000 immediately upon receipt. No other person is authorised to copy, adapt, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this e-mail in any form without prior specific permission in writing from an authorised representative of GCap Media plc. We will not accept liability for any claims arising as a result of the use of the internet to transmit information by or to GCap Media plc. GCap Media plc. Registered address: 30 Leicester Square, London WC2H 7LA. Registered in England & Wales with No. 923454 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Both my previous and current employer are XHTML strict: http://www.tesco.com/ http://becta.org.uk/ Tesco is a .net site. Mike Foskett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Milner Sent: 08 October 2008 03:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Hi, I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even transitional)? Thanks, Anthony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ---Warning This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may monitor and record all e-mails. Disclaimer This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Just this week Damian Edwards released a set of templates for ASP.NET which make it XHTML 1.1 compliant. You can download them for free from here: http://www.codeplex.com/VSXHTML11Templates/ They install a new project type in Visual Studio, that when used gives you an XHTML1.1 compliant site to start with. Thanks, Tatham Oddie call:+61414275989, call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie, msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tatham.oddie.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 2:34 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Those all have errors (and are HTML, not XHTML). The errors are minor, but there are a number of them. Robin Gorry wrote: > http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx > http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ > http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx > > > > Robin Gorry > Senior Web Developer > Xplore Net Solutions > > > > Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au > > > Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful > way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal > itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their > brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their > Australian consumers. > > > The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, > Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables > Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their > site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product > catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. > > > > f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 > e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > w: www.xplore.net > > > Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows > Content Management System > > CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and > may also be privileged. > If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately > and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any > purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Anthony Milner > Sent: 08 October 2008 15:23 > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict > > Hi, > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even > transitional)? > > Thanks, > Anthony > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net http://www.numberoverflow.com http://www.htmlblox.com Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
I’m a front-end developer who works with a lot of .NET developers and one of
the things that bugs me about .NET sites is the amount of JavaScript Visual
Studio inserts under the main form tag:
//<![CDATA[
var theForm = document.forms['aspnetForm'];
if (!theForm) {
theForm = document.aspnetForm;
}
function __doPostBack(eventTarget, eventArgument) {
if (!theForm.onsubmit || (theForm.onsubmit() != false)) {
theForm.__EVENTTARGET.value = eventTarget;
theForm.__EVENTARGUMENT.value = eventArgument;
theForm.submit();
}
}
//]]>
//<![CDATA[
Sys.WebForms.PageRequestManager._initialize('ctl00$smMaster',
document.getElementById('aspnetForm'));
Sys.WebForms.PageRequestManager.getInstance()._updateControls([], [], [], 90);
//]]>
I’ve done some research and it looks like you can’t externalise this? And the
fact that a form tag gets wrapped around the entire html.
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Robin Gorry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx
> http://www.oneeast.co.nz/
> http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx
None of those sites validate.
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Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
I'm not a .NET developer, so this question really made no sense to me. I don't understand why it would matter if you're using .NET when trying to produce valid XHTML 1.0 Strict pages. So, anyways, I googled. This blog post was interesting: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200511/no_xhtml_10_strict_in_aspnet_20/ So really it's a Visual Studio problem, not an ASP.NET problem, I guess? Interesting. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Christian Snodgrass < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those all have errors (and are HTML, not XHTML). The errors are minor, but > there are a number of them. > > > Robin Gorry wrote: > >> http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx >> http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ >> http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx >> >> >> >> Robin Gorry >> Senior Web Developer >> Xplore Net Solutions >> >> >> >> Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au >> >> Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful >> way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal >> itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their >> brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their >> Australian consumers. >> >> The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, >> Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables >> Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their >> site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product >> catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. >> >> >> >> f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 >> e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> w: www.xplore.net >> >> >> Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows >> Content Management System >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and >> may also be privileged. >> If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately >> and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any >> purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Anthony Milner >> Sent: 08 October 2008 15:23 >> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >> Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict >> >> Hi, >> >> I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they >> challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict >> compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. >> >> Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even >> transitional)? >> >> Thanks, >> Anthony >> >> >> >> *** >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *** >> >> >> >> *** >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *** >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Christian Snodgrass > Azure Ronin Web Design > http://www.arwebdesign.net > http://www.numberoverflow.com > http://www.htmlblox.com > Phone: 859.816.7955 > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > -- tim gieseking / 314.413.3891 / timgieseking.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Those all have errors (and are HTML, not XHTML). The errors are minor, but there are a number of them. Robin Gorry wrote: http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their Australian consumers. The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Milner Sent: 08 October 2008 15:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Hi, I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even transitional)? Thanks, Anthony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net http://www.numberoverflow.com http://www.htmlblox.com Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
Correction on these links: http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx The first fails as HTML 4.01 Strict - no good The 2nd fails as HTML 4.01 Strict - no good The 3rd fails as HTML 4.01 Transitional - no good None are using XHTML 1.0, let alone the strict version. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /"Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design"/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Fax: (866) 301-8045 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robin Gorry wrote: http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their Australian consumers. The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Milner Sent: 08 October 2008 15:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Hi, I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even transitional)? Thanks, Anthony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Anthony Milner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they > challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict > compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. > > Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even > transitional)? what does it matter what the server code is? obviously the generated content can still be whatever you like. seems like a fairly stupid quest, imho. > Thanks, > Anthony -- noon silky http://skillsforvilla.tumblr.com/ http://www.themonkeynet.com/armada/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Robin Gorry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx > http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ > http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx None of those sites validate. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict
http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx http://www.oneeast.co.nz/ http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx Robin Gorry Senior Web Developer Xplore Net Solutions Xplore.net Website of the Week: Weleda (Australia) - www.weleda.com.au Weleda has a range of anthroposophic medicine - the simple yet powerful way to utilise nature's medicines to stimulate the body to 'heal itself'. Until recently their website did not accurately reflect their brand and they had no easy way to profile their product range to their Australian consumers. The new Weleda website is powered by the Xsite content manager, Xforms, Xshop, Xmembers and Xtend. Combined, this powerful toolset enables Weleda staff to add/edit/delete pages, text and imagery throughout their site, create online forms and surveys, provide an online product catalogue and issue logins to restricted access areas on their website. f: 00 64 (0)6 834 24 86 e : [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.xplore.net Take control of your website - ask me today about Xsite-tomorrows Content Management System CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Milner Sent: 08 October 2008 15:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict Hi, I was having a *chat* with some .NET developer colleagues and they challenged me to find a .NET site that achieves XHTML 1.0 strict compliance. Hoping to prove to them that it can be done. Does anybody know of some .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict (or even transitional)? Thanks, Anthony *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
