Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Doesn't the HTML Matter More?

Lea de Groot wrote: Sadly, I've been unable to find any evidence of semantic code helping SEO, or even of the bots preferring semantic code, *except* for the unproven possibility of code so badly formed that a searchbot cant figure out the content of the page. (ie code that validates wont have

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Doesn't the HTML Matter More?

in CSS for that reason alone. But, I'd really love to be proven wrong. Chris Rizzo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:24 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Doesn't the HTML Matter More?

://www.visidigm.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Rizzo Sent: 31 January 2005 16:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Search Engines

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Doesn't the HTML Matter More?

Pepper Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:45 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Doesn't the HTML Matter More? Chris, A few issues with CSS spamming: http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/enigma_log0411.htm I've not touched on all the techniques

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:24:29 +1000, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, not particularly - the search engines dont seem to be semantic at all. In my experience - and seo is part of my job - search engines *do* place higher relevance on keywords inside H1 tags. -- Kay Smoljak

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

Google don't always use the Google bot user agent string - one of their techniques is to use an IE user agent string from a different subnet and compare it to what Google-bot gets. They also have very good methods of rendering content to analyse its visual output. This covers javascript tricks,

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

Mark Stanton wrote: Basically don't waste your time trying to out smart a company with that many PHDs and that much RD budget. There are good ways of getting results in Google without silly tricks that will get you banned. Write good content, get good links. ...Yet they can't produce a single

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

On 28 Jan 2005, at 01:28, Mike Pepper wrote: Take a look at some fought over keyphrases like 'website development' in Google UK. You'll find many sites spamming with irrelevant noscript, off-screen absolute positioned text, minute text, hidden layers, even some cretins with WOW (white-on-white)

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

://www.visidigm.com Administrator Guild of Accessible Web Designers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy Budd Sent: 28 January 2005 09:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS On 28

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS - Not the real story.

so important to SEO. I'd like to be proven wrong though. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Wood Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:34 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS I'm not sure

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

Mike Pepper wrote: I have sent literally hundreds of mails to Google illustrating exactly what the miscreants are doing and how. I take SEO seriously and know most if not all the techniques. They have never responded in any way other than their automated responders. I eventually gave up in the

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:14:04 +1100, Ryan Sabir wrote: Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether search engines take any notice of CSS? If you examine your log files, you will find that Googlebot et al never call for your css file. Thus they are not viewing it, and not using it to

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

I'm not sure if they do. But what I can tell you is that there is no point at all to try and fool search engines. Search engines (google) will give you more rank if your site is honest, well built and on topic. You can try all the tricks in the world...but the fact remains: if your site is

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

Darren Wood wrote: if your site is good then people will link to it, if lots of people link to it then google will be more inclined to like your site too. Thats how the concept of googlejuice works anyway, the more links a page has pointing to it, the higher up it gets ...Which can be a bummer

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:14:04 +1100, Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether search engines take any notice of CSS? I don't think so. Someone could develop their page full of H1's with dodgy keywords, and simply not display the content of those H1's. We

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

I remember reading a quote from a Google tech. stating that while their system is capable of reading/interpreting CSS, they don't do so due to the excess load it would create. I also remember the same quote mentioning something about sites only getting penalised if someone lodges a complaint

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

Take a look at some fought over keyphrases like 'website development' in Google UK. You'll find many sites spamming with irrelevant noscript, off-screen absolute positioned text, minute text, hidden layers, even some cretins with WOW (white-on-white) text. And you know what? Google doesn't do a

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

It is my understanding that Google doesn't parse or index .css files, let alone test the whether the css modifies to HTML in a manner designed to manipulate rankings. Try it yourself. Try and find your own websites .css file indexed in Google by searching on the full filename of the .css file.