Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ. It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely) On the issue... it's something MS simply won't back down on no matter what any of us think. So we may as well figure out how to deal with it. Standardistas can go for the edge option or they can let IE stagnate at IE7 or whatever version ends up being the easiest to develop for. Or they can seriously tag their documents according to tested documents. Implementation specifics aside (yes I still think it's spam), the version target feature offers us a chance to lock our sites to the most convenient version of IE. MS has invited us to ignore their newer products. We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary? Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions... cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
code for standards compliant browsers and let ie fall where it may. dwain On 1/24/08, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ. It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely) On the issue... it's something MS simply won't back down on no matter what any of us think. So we may as well figure out how to deal with it. Standardistas can go for the edge option or they can let IE stagnate at IE7 or whatever version ends up being the easiest to develop for. Or they can seriously tag their documents according to tested documents. Implementation specifics aside (yes I still think it's spam), the version target feature offers us a chance to lock our sites to the most convenient version of IE. MS has invited us to ignore their newer products. We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary? Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions... cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely) That's awesome! We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary? As others have pointed out, if everyone decides to lock sites into IE7, MS have no incentive to continue down the road of web standards and may in fact, do the opposite and actively promote against it. That could have serious consequences, e.g.: * MS does one thing and everyone else does another except worse than it is now where MS have at least been trying to come to the party, * MS does its best to tell everyone that hasn't yet bought into web standards that web standards are holding back the web, that their way is better, and end up killing it (web standards). -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
From: Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ. On the issue... it's something MS simply won't back down on no matter what any of us think. So we may as well figure out how to deal with it. Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions... It's all about numbers. There are too many users lingering with old Windows versions and old browsers. Many of them refuse to upgrade because of sentiments similar to those couched in this thread. That is, they either dislike or distrust Microsoft. That's a tough position to be in. Others are quasi-competent developers running huge intranets laced with proprietary IE features. The folks who use the intranet, use their same antiquated IE browsers to view the public Web. I think Chris Wilson is a brilliant fellow and I also believe the IE team can make a browser as compliant as anyone else. Perhaps it's time for Microsoft to take some risks and forcibly push new browser versions out. Perhaps a marketing campaign to educate civilians and done as well as Apple's I'm a Mac ads would get things rolling along. In any event, I think that Microsoft has demonstrated a commitment to standards and it might be time to cut them some slack. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
Ben Buchanan wrote: Implementation specifics aside (yes I still think it's spam), the version target feature offers us a chance to lock our sites to the most convenient version of IE. MS has invited us to ignore their newer products. We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary? Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions... All of the above - depending on the situation at hand. Being practical, it all comes down to what IE8 is worth - in any mode, once it's released and thoroughly tested. - IE6 and IE7 will need their workarounds for a few years, so it's mostly business as usual on the IE/win front even after IE8' arrival. - If IE8 can do without its own workarounds and isn't disturbed by any workarounds for its predecessors, then triggering IE8 mode doesn't cost anything. If not, then the most solid workarounds have to be found and tested before seriously leaving the IE7 forever mode - if that mode really works. The way the proposed switch works, we should be able to relax and not bother looking for IE8 fixes until after IE9, or IE10, is out - just to see how the browser is shaping up. - If clients expect and/or demand triggering of a beyond IE7 mode (which they probably won't), then they'll get it once any problems with it are solved. Bottom line: I don't like this new switch one bit, but I'm pretty relaxed on the matter and will trigger a suitable beyond IE7 mode if it serves any purpose - for me. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ. On 24/01/2008, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you been following the discussions on the IE8 and compatibility for the last couple of days? For those that haven't been following it (or have deliberately run away to hide), here are a few articles to read :) -- kind regards, Terrence Wood *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
