Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[john]

Thanks, Grant.  I'll give it a try.  You mentioned that for you, it went 
almost to the top.  For me, it doesn't budge an inch.  I guess that 
means that the javascript-disabled won't be able to go to the top at 
all.  I suppose I could always use a a name= tag, although I'd 
rather not.

Thanks.
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Focas, Grant wrote:
John,
the only solution I can offer is to use javascript with a gracefully degrading 
experience for the JavaScript disabled. If you are using this on more than one link 
it's probably worth putting it into a function. And it works on everything except 
Mac/IE (5.0,5.1 and 5.2) which still goes 'almost to the top':
a href=#top onclick=if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE') == -1){ window.scrollTo(0, 0); return 
false;}Back to top/a
Grant
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After applying this CSS hack to one of my sites, my back to top link 
doesn't do anything at all in Win/IE6 (I have an id=top in the BODY tag).

Then there's the fact that part of the scrollbar is hidden beneath the 
header...but I think that was already mentioned.

Any suggestions on the back to top link?
~john
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Focas, Grant wrote:
For me it goes to the top but not quite.
Safari 1.02 does make it go higher than Netscape 7.2 or IE5.2 but it
still doesn't go right to the top.
For instance, in Netscape 7.2 on Mac the back to top takes me back to
'Adapted from fixed positioning' not to 'Fixed header and footer'.
This isn't too bad when the header is only 60px but if it were 120 the
difference would be quite a worry.
Grant
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On 12 Oct 2004, at 2:55 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:

Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways
in

view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden.

Well, in that case I've misunderstood what you're trying to do with the 
link. In all my Mac browsers (IE5.2, Safari 1.2, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 
0.9) the link 'resets' the page to the way it looks when it frist loads 
- which is what I always have my 'top' links do... - ?

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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[john]

Thanks for the code tip, Grant.  Works great (gotta do a bit of 
tweaking, but still works!).  I put this xml line above the DOCTYPE:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
I assume that's right?
Thanks again!
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Focas, Grant wrote:
Yes, using the xml declaration works and is an infinitely better solution. The comment 
would have to be used if you were using HTML not XHTML.
Grant
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Focas, Grant wrote:
john, 
the solution requires putting the an html comment above the doctype declaration.
If the aim is to throw IE into quirks mode, I'd imagine that one may 
also consider just sticking the xml declaration there (but haven't got 
the time to test this assertion).

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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[john]

After applying this CSS hack to one of my sites, my back to top link 
doesn't do anything at all in Win/IE6 (I have an id=top in the BODY tag).

Then there's the fact that part of the scrollbar is hidden beneath the 
header...but I think that was already mentioned.

Any suggestions on the back to top link?
~john
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Focas, Grant wrote:
For me it goes to the top but not quite.
Safari 1.02 does make it go higher than Netscape 7.2 or IE5.2 but it
still doesn't go right to the top.
For instance, in Netscape 7.2 on Mac the back to top takes me back to
'Adapted from fixed positioning' not to 'Fixed header and footer'.
This isn't too bad when the header is only 60px but if it were 120 the
difference would be quite a worry.
Grant
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On 12 Oct 2004, at 2:55 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:

Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways
in
view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden.

Well, in that case I've misunderstood what you're trying to do with the 
link. In all my Mac browsers (IE5.2, Safari 1.2, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 
0.9) the link 'resets' the page to the way it looks when it frist loads 
- which is what I always have my 'top' links do... - ?

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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[john]

I appreciate the discussion on this...really, I do. :)  Is there 
somebody who might be able to help me integrate this into my existing 
CSS?  Am I to understand that I can't have my DOCTYPE set to XHTML (I'm 
not very well-versed in what IE Quirk Mode is)?

Thanks.
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john wrote:
After a bit of searching, I found a site that explains how to get fixed 
positioning in IE.  This is great news for me, since I really would like 
such a thing on the design of one of my sites.  Trouble is, I'm having a 
difficult time incorporating it into my existing CSS, and I'm wondering 
if there's a kind-hearted soul who could possibly assist me.  What I 
need is both #banner and #tabmenu to stay put (as it does in Firefox).

The site I'm working on is at http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/
The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at 
http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header

My gratitude to any who can help.
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RE: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Focas, Grant]

john, 
the solution requires putting the an html comment above the doctype declaration.

If you also add this CSS hack it will work in IE/Mac, Safari and IE5 and 5.5/Windows:

/* Mac IE cannot read this \*/
  * html body{ 
  /* only IE Win and MacOSX can see this, 
  but is hidden from Mac IE by previous filter.*/
  overflow:hidden;
 } 
 * html div#content{ 
 /* only IE Win and MacOSX can see this, 
 but is hidden from Mac IE by previous filter.*/
  height:100%;
  width:100%;
  overflow:auto;
 }

hope this helps,
Grant 

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I appreciate the discussion on this...really, I do. :)  Is there 
somebody who might be able to help me integrate this into my existing 
CSS?  Am I to understand that I can't have my DOCTYPE set to XHTML (I'm 
not very well-versed in what IE Quirk Mode is)?

Thanks.

~john
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john wrote:
 
 After a bit of searching, I found a site that explains how to get fixed 
 positioning in IE.  This is great news for me, since I really would like 
 such a thing on the design of one of my sites.  Trouble is, I'm having a 
 difficult time incorporating it into my existing CSS, and I'm wondering 
 if there's a kind-hearted soul who could possibly assist me.  What I 
 need is both #banner and #tabmenu to stay put (as it does in Firefox).
 
 The site I'm working on is at http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/
 
 The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at 
 http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header
 
 My gratitude to any who can help.

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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Focas, Grant wrote:
john, 
the solution requires putting the an html comment above the doctype declaration.
If the aim is to throw IE into quirks mode, I'd imagine that one may 
also consider just sticking the xml declaration there (but haven't got 
the time to test this assertion).

Patrick H. Lauke
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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Patrick H. Lauke]

john wrote:
The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at 
http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header
Interesting...although I wonder why Anne didn't actually construct 
proper html documents with a html, head and body...because it seems to 
work in that situation as well?

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RE: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Focas, Grant]

I almost thought a problem that had been plaguing me for ages (apart from Howard) had 
been solved by this until I tried to view it in Mac/IE5.0. No scrollbar appears until 
a link is clicked (fixed positioning). In the time it takes to load the next page a 
scrollbar appears on the first page.
In Mac/IE5.1, Mac IE5.2 and Safari no scrollbar appears at all.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions to overcome this?

Grant Focas

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john wrote:

 The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at 
 http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header
Interesting...although I wonder why Anne didn't actually construct 
proper html documents with a html, head and body...because it seems to 
work in that situation as well?

Patrick H. Lauke
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RE: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Focas, Grant]

I've solved the Mac scrollbar problem.
http://www.homebass.info/fixedPosTest/

Now the only issue left (besides that it uses CSS hacks) is that the back to top link 
only takes you to the top of the content div minus the height of the header.

Grant

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I almost thought a problem that had been plaguing me for ages (apart from Howard) had 
been solved by this until I tried to view it in Mac/IE5.0. No scrollbar appears until 
a link is clicked (fixed positioning). In the time it takes to load the next page a 
scrollbar appears on the first page.
In Mac/IE5.1, Mac IE5.2 and Safari no scrollbar appears at all.
 
Does anyone have any suggestions to overcome this?

Grant Focas

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john wrote:

 The page with the CSS code for fixed positioning in IE is at 
 http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header
Interesting...although I wonder why Anne didn't actually construct 
proper html documents with a html, head and body...because it seems to 
work in that situation as well?

Patrick H. Lauke
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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Nick Gleitzman]

On 12 Oct 2004, at 1:27 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:
I've solved the Mac scrollbar problem.
http://www.homebass.info/fixedPosTest/
Now the only issue left (besides that it uses CSS hacks) is that the 
back to top link only takes you to the top of the content div minus 
the height of the header.

Grant
Try adding an id to your body tag and linking to that instead of the 
named anchor.

Also, your DOCTYPE is incomplete - it should include a URL for the DTD 
to which it refers...

HTH
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RE: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Focas, Grant]

Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways in
view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden. But the DOCTYPE
was wrong and its now fixed, thanks. 

Grant

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On 12 Oct 2004, at 1:27 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:

 I've solved the Mac scrollbar problem.
 http://www.homebass.info/fixedPosTest/

 Now the only issue left (besides that it uses CSS hacks) is that the 
 back to top link only takes you to the top of the content div minus 
 the height of the header.

 Grant

Try adding an id to your body tag and linking to that instead of the 
named anchor.

Also, your DOCTYPE is incomplete - it should include a URL for the DTD 
to which it refers...

HTH

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Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Nick Gleitzman]

On 12 Oct 2004, at 2:55 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:
Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways in
view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden.
Well, in that case I've misunderstood what you're trying to do with the 
link. In all my Mac browsers (IE5.2, Safari 1.2, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 
0.9) the link 'resets' the page to the way it looks when it frist loads 
- which is what I always have my 'top' links do... - ?

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RE: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

[Focas, Grant]

For me it goes to the top but not quite.
Safari 1.02 does make it go higher than Netscape 7.2 or IE5.2 but it
still doesn't go right to the top.
For instance, in Netscape 7.2 on Mac the back to top takes me back to
'Adapted from fixed positioning' not to 'Fixed header and footer'.
This isn't too bad when the header is only 60px but if it were 120 the
difference would be quite a worry.

Grant

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On 12 Oct 2004, at 2:55 PM, Focas, Grant wrote:

 Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways
in
 view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden.

Well, in that case I've misunderstood what you're trying to do with the 
link. In all my Mac browsers (IE5.2, Safari 1.2, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 
0.9) the link 'resets' the page to the way it looks when it frist loads 
- which is what I always have my 'top' links do... - ?

N
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