Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-27 Thread Paul Kube
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:03 PM David Gilbert wrote: > > If WSJT used unique non-descriptive three letter/number combinations, > there would easily be enough to cover every county in the United States and > probably all of the rest of the world as well. I.E., AAA, D9Y, 5V7, > etc. After a

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-27 Thread Neil Zampella
Dave, You can't look at it as a simple case of 15 bits, you have to look at the bit size for each set of characters.    This is the reason why FD requirements can be met in the 77 bits, but the 'winter' field day cannot.    The winter field day uses the same number of characters, but the bit requ

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-27 Thread David Gilbert
Personally, I don't see how weak signal work and contesting are ain the least mutually exclusive.  I've done a lot of contesting and being able to work more weak ones is a huge advantage.  Even more relevant, I'm convinced that the format of FT8/4 encourages a lot more hams to participate in

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Robert A. Klahn (AD6I)
Im a little hesitant to jump into this conversation because Im new to the list, but here I go. Support for long-ish messages, such as what you find in some State QSO parties, or Sweepstakes comes to mind, is somewhat contradictory to the original purpose of WSJT-X, which is, weak signal wor

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread David Gilbert
I'll admit I'm not really understanding the discussion here so please be gentle with me, but would having only one large table change the situation?  I think we're only talking about the bits required for transmission, right? If WSJT used unique non-descriptive three letter/number combinatio

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/09/2019 20:21, John Zantek wrote: Am I standing out on a dangerous limb (NPI), if each QP sponsor decides, then compiles a branch that supports their QP, and distributes it on their QP web site? As a Salmon Run sponsor, I know the desire is significant here (from inquiries tosalmon...@w

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread John Zantek
> the source code you are referring to is the validation for GUI input when > entering one's state or province, it has no bearing on what is packed into > transmitted messages other than the selected value is used. Ahagot it. Understood now, thank you, Bill. > it might be possible for one

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Ron WV4P
Almost all US Counties, within the state, have a Number. Could, for the purposes of QSO Parties the designation be Hardin - HARN - 40 as would be the case of mine ? Would that help any, just using an already assigned number VS the County Name ? Ron WV4P On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 13:48, Bill Somervill

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/09/2019 11:59, John Zantek wrote: ØThe bottom line is that there are still a handful of selectors available in the FT4/FT8/MSK144 message payload bits that could be used for new message schemes but nowhere near the number that would be needed to support a series of county based QSO part

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread David McIntyre
There are 3007 counties in the US versus 71 ARRL sections. That's 12 bits versus 7. On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:27 AM John Zantek wrote: > Ø The bottom line is that there are still a handful of selectors > available in the FT4/FT8/MSK144 message payload bits that could be used for > new message

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread John Zantek
* The bottom line is that there are still a handful of selectors available in the FT4/FT8/MSK144 message payload bits that could be used for new message schemes but nowhere near the number that would be needed to support a series of county based QSO parties or similar. But Bill, isn’t the FD m

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/09/2019 00:02, John Zantek wrote: index into a table of 64 values (48 states + 14 provinces + DC + DX) takes a mere 7 bits to store. Hi Bill, Yes, I initially saw that and it's why I attempted to clone the FD table, substituting the 39 WA counties for 58 ARRL Sections. That table obvio

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/09/2019 01:12, Bill Frantz wrote: On 9/25/19 at 3:52 PM, g4...@classdesign.com (Bill Somerville) wrote: On 25/09/2019 23:42, Bill Somerville wrote: whereas the index into a table of 64 values (48 states + 14 provinces + DC + DX) takes a mere 7 bits to store. This is actually an interes

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 9/25/2019 5:12 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: but the 7QP will also have a big number. And there's another wrinkle -- 7QP and NEQP (held the same weekend) have five character abbreviations (two for state, three for county). But there's also the question of whether sponsors of these state QSO parti

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Tom Melvin
>> For non-US QSO parties, similar techniques might work. Consider a QSO party >> with the counties of England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales as the activated >> counties. :-) For RSGB it’s between 2 to 8 characters along with the obligatory signal report ’59’ :-) As has been pointed out i

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Bill Frantz
On 9/25/19 at 3:52 PM, g4...@classdesign.com (Bill Somerville) wrote: On 25/09/2019 23:42, Bill Somerville wrote: whereas the index into a table of 64 values (48 states + 14 provinces + DC + DX) takes a mere 7 bits to store. This is actually an interesting problem. We can divide the conteste

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread John Zantek
> index into a table of 64 values (48 states + 14 provinces + DC + DX) takes a > mere 7 bits to store. Hi Bill, Yes, I initially saw that and it's why I attempted to clone the FD table, substituting the 39 WA counties for 58 ARRL Sections. That table obviously fits, right? I'm guessing it wo

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Bill Somerville
On 25/09/2019 23:42, Bill Somerville wrote: whereas the index into a table of 64 values (48 states + 14 provinces + DC + DX) takes a mere 7 bits to store. Oops, not quite correct there. It only takes 6 bits. I should add that the actual storage is more complex as the DX serial numbers must al

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Bill Somerville
On 25/09/2019 21:20, John Zantek wrote: AKA "All I want for Christmas is something big for WSJT-X 2.2" I just finished the 2019 Washington Salmon Run (our state QSO party), both as a contestant and a coordinator. My DX Club sponsors the event. Seewww.wwdxc.org/salmonrun This year, we were i

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Tom Melvin
And for QSO parties that are NOT in the USA? RSGB has a couple they introduced this year - doesn’t support FT? yet but it will come. Pretty sure the abbreviations used for USA states will not match up with other countries. The developers, if they are going to support QSO parties, will be look

Re: [wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread Ron WV4P
As a coordinator for the Tennessee QSO Party we fielded the same questions and had to respond the same. MANY wanted to use FT-X Modes. In kind, I don't think TN would be any issue swapping to 3 Letter. Ron, WV4P On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 16:08, John Zantek wrote: > AKA "All I want for Christmas is

[wsjt-devel] State QSO Parties

2019-09-25 Thread John Zantek
AKA "All I want for Christmas is something big for WSJT-X 2.2" I just finished the 2019 Washington Salmon Run (our state QSO party), both as a contestant and a coordinator. My DX Club sponsors the event. See www.wwdxc.org/salmonrun This year, we were inundated with inquiries of "Can we use FT