Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
GetModeLine - scrn: 0 clock: 108000 GetModeLine - hdsp: 1280 hbeg: 1328 hend: 1440 httl: 1628 - vdsp: 1024 vbeg: 1025 vend: 1028 vttl: 1088 flags: 5 Sorry I aint replied for a while Mark. Been so busy of late with other projects. I didn't really understand what you meant about how to get these modelines above. But I got the jest of the idea and used xvidtune and fetched the current modelines that x was using from there. And it printed out the ones that I had specified before. I know these modelines work aswell because If say I don't mention the one for 1680x1050 it doesn't do the res. What seems to be happening is that the radeon drivers seems to be using it's own modelines and sync values from somewhere else and ignoring what I'm telling it. And although I haven't specified anything out of the ordinary for the drivers I appear to be still having the problem. _ Access your MSN favourites from anywhere - download MSN Toolbar today! http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054XAPID=2083 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: Thanx :) I know it does work and that it even woks at this resolution as I have found others who use theirs at this resolution. I'm sure I'm probably gonna kick myself when I find out what the problem is aswell Kind Regards Warren Paul Hi Warren, I don't know why I didn't think of this before. Can you get the current modeline information from your console? On my systems I do not run xdm and the system boots to a test login only. On aspect of working this way is that when I run X using startx (I run fluxbox) my login console has some lines that say: GetModeLine - scrn: 0 clock: 108000 GetModeLine - hdsp: 1280 hbeg: 1328 hend: 1440 httl: 1628 - vdsp: 1024 vbeg: 1025 vend: 1028 vttl: 1088 flags: 5 (Alt-Ctl-F1 --- Alt-Ctl-F7) I have a suspision that maybe if you get your machine to drop into the mode you want that you might use these values to program a modeline that works? You may have to turn of xdm/kdm to make this work. I'm not sure as I never use them. Anyway, it's a thought. Take care, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Monday 19 July 2004 18:32, Warren Paul wrote: This you are gonna find real interesting. I went searching on the gentoo forums and found loads of people who have been having this similar problem with my laptop. And I found a guy that instead of giving X and undoable res like 1600x1200, he just simply didn't put in any mode and X came up with the same results as me. But what is peculiar is when I tried this for my self i noticed X defaulted to 640x480, which I know I tried and it did not do these results but rather gave me the white screen. So I tried it on my own by specifying the mode 640x480 and it gave me a white screen. Why would X do 2 different things like that? Because it moves in mysterious ways? :) Serious though: these drivers are not that easy, and just from the ones I've looked at it's hard to predict exactly how each driver will react to certain inputs. Either that or I need to upgrade my programming skills. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: Just didn't want to write a Theses :-) lol! I guess we made you do that since we don't have the right answers! Very sorry that we cannot get you there yet. From another thread I did get new info about a little app called gtf. You probably already knew about that and I don't think it would give better modelines than the web site I gave earlier. Too bad... I'm sorry that I don't remember what distribution you are running, but have you tried a total reset of your XF86config file in a while? I was looking at one of your earlier emails and seem many (to me) confusing options turned on in there. I'm completely boring and have no options turned on. The only consistent problem I ever had with XF86 was related to the (incorrect) use of a specific option. Just a thought. Good luck, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Thanx guys for all the help so far. I don't think I would be any closer if it werent for your help. Besides, at least I'm not struggling on my own anymore :) My XF86Config file is generated by fglrxconfig. So I haven't really set anything too weird that the config program hadn't asked me about. The program is part of the ati drivers for my card. But all the relevant settings I have take great detail in checking through other posts provided by gentoo forums in ati howto. Whisch were very informative. I have also been having this problam for some time. Infact this is my 3 install of linux. I've tried it with fedora but with the same results, debian and now finally gentoo. Which I really love and want to stick with but basically this problem has been a stagnent smell that has followed me from flavour to flavour :-) _ Share your passion on MSN Groups - membership is FREE! http://groups.msn.com/people.msnw?pgmarket=en-za ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: Thanx guys for all the help so far. I don't think I would be any closer if it werent for your help. Besides, at least I'm not struggling on my own anymore :) My XF86Config file is generated by fglrxconfig. So I haven't really set anything too weird that the config program hadn't asked me about. The program is part of the ati drivers for my card. But all the relevant settings I have take great detail in checking through other posts provided by gentoo forums in ati howto. Whisch were very informative. I have also been having this problam for some time. Infact this is my 3 install of linux. I've tried it with fedora but with the same results, debian and now finally gentoo. Which I really love and want to stick with but basically this problem has been a stagnent smell that has followed me from flavour to flavour :-) I'm writing you from a Gentoo laptop - Compaq Presario R3070us. It uses an ATI device also. I cannot run at the resolution you do so I don't know about this problem exactly, but clearly it does basically work. I'm going to continue to think about the problem and keep my eyes open for you. Good luck, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Saturday 17 July 2004 20:38, Warren Paul wrote: Well I tried them all :-) I guess I really am still desperate. But unfortunately none of those worked either :( But thanx for the try Ok, time for another little try-out. :) Try adding the display size of your panel to your monitor section, using: DisplaySize width height where width and height need to be defined in milimeters. Also, it might have to do with your resolution not being a standard one. Hence it may not find all requested modes, and hence dives into this piece of the code. You said it worked if you only requested 1600x1200? Does it also work if you request 1600x1200 on top of all the other resolutions? Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
I've heard of other people that have had problems with modeline settings causing strange sorts of problems. I'm sure you're sick of all of this, but have you gone through a number of other (slower) refresh rates? Well I tried them all :-) I guess I really am still desperate. But unfortunately none of those worked either :( But thanx for the try Kind Regards Warren Paul _ Death to pop-up ads! Get the ultimate toolbar today. http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054XAPID=2083 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
The reason I have those lines commented is for testing. So instead of re writing everything out again I just comment and uncomment the lines I need. Hmm, I didn't get that part from the email you sent with the configuration and log files. The logfile that worked, which lines were uncommented? Modes 1600x1200 # Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 # Modes 1680x1050 the mode 1600x1200 works fine. The 1680x1050 1400x1050 etc line is for when everything finally works and to test that everything works fine. Thats why I have it commented out to save me writing out al those modes again. the the 1680x1050 line is just for testing purposes. So when yourself or I or anyone comes up with an idea I can just uncomment it and comment the rest. I know it probably aint the best idea and may be confusing, but I've done this so many times, I just wanted a quicker way :-) _ Get FREE Web space - click to learn more! http://groups.msn.com/people.msnw?pgmarket=en-za ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:02:07AM +0200, Warren Paul wrote: Hmm, I didn't get that part from the email you sent with the configuration and log files. The logfile that worked, which lines were uncommented? Modes 1600x1200 # Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 # Modes 1680x1050 the mode 1600x1200 works fine. The 1680x1050 1400x1050 etc line is for when everything finally works and to test that everything works fine. Thats why I have it commented out to save me writing out al those modes again. the the 1680x1050 line is just for testing purposes. So when yourself or I or anyone comes up with an idea I can just uncomment it and comment the rest. I know it probably aint the best idea and may be confusing, but I've done this so many times, I just wanted a quicker way :-) Ok, so Modes 1600x1200 # Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 # Modes 1680x1050 works, and # Modes 1600x1200 # Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 Modes 1680x1050 doesn't? Is that the two scenario's you sent the logfiles from a few emails ago? I'll try having another look at that source code when I return from work. Perhaps I can figure this one out yet. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: The reason I have those lines commented is for testing. So instead of re writing everything out again I just comment and uncomment the lines I need. Hmm, I didn't get that part from the email you sent with the configuration and log files. The logfile that worked, which lines were uncommented? Modes1600x1200 #Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 #Modes1680x1050 the mode 1600x1200 works fine. The 1680x1050 1400x1050 etc line is for when everything finally works and to test that everything works fine. Thats why I have it commented out to save me writing out al those modes again. the the 1680x1050 line is just for testing purposes. So when yourself or I or anyone comes up with an idea I can just uncomment it and comment the rest. I know it probably aint the best idea and may be confusing, but I've done this so many times, I just wanted a quicker way :-) Hi, I hope you don't mind me following along. From an earlier email: Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes1600x1200 #Modes 1680x1050 1400x1050 (etc.)... and you included Modeline 1680x1050 147.10 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 and got this response... (II) fglrx(0): Not using mode 1600x1200 (no mode of this name) (--) fglrx(0): Virtual size is 1680x1050 (pitch 1728) (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1680x1050: 147.1 MHz, 65.2 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1680x1050 147.10 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 what I'm not exactly clear about is whether X is really using the modeline values on this last line or not, but it seems to me that you didn't give it a chance to realyl use 1600x1200 correctly since you didn't include a modeline inpt for that setting. (And I understand that you probably didn't want to...) I've heard of other people that have had problems with modeline settings causing strange sorts of problems. I'm sure you're sick of all of this, but have you gone through a number of other (slower) refresh rates? 50Hz: Horizontal Resolution: 1680 Vertical Resolution:1050 Vertical Refresh Rate: 50.00 Hz Horizontal Refresh Rate:54.12 KHz Dot Clock Frequence:116.05 MHz # V-freq: 50.00 Hz // h-freq: 54.12 KHz Modeline 1680x1050 116.05 1680 1744 1888 2144 1050 1050 1052 1082 55Hz: Horizontal Resolution: 1680 Vertical Resolution:1050 Vertical Refresh Rate: 55.00 Hz Horizontal Refresh Rate:59.72 KHz Dot Clock Frequence:131.86 MHz # V-freq: 55.00 Hz // h-freq: 59.72 KHz Modeline 1680x1050 131.86 1680 1752 1912 2208 1050 1050 1052 1085 60Hz: Horizontal Resolution: 1680 Vertical Resolution:1050 Vertical Refresh Rate: 60.00 Hz Horizontal Refresh Rate:65.35 KHz Dot Clock Frequence:149.01 MHz # V-freq: 60.00 Hz // h-freq: 65.35 KHz Modeline 1680x1050 149.01 1680 1760 1944 2280 1050 1050 1052 1089 Please note that for 60Hz I got slightly different values than you did. This is interesting. Wish I had real answers. Good luck, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
what I'm not exactly clear about is whether X is really using the modeline values on this last line or not, but it seems to me that you didn't give it a chance to realyl use 1600x1200 correctly since you didn't include a modeline inpt for that setting. (And I understand that you probably didn't want to...) The modelines that I got where the ones I got when x printed them out in the log for the mode 1600x1200. I've heard of other people that have had problems with modeline settings causing strange sorts of problems. I'm sure you're sick of all of this, but have you gone through a number of other (slower) refresh rates? You see to begin with this is what I really did. I tried hundreds of different modelins, and refreshes galore. All thanks to linux modile which conveniently had a subsection for 168x1050 wsxga screens. I basically tried all those and any others I found on the net. But none worked. Then One day I just happened to stumble on the 1600x1200 mode and realized it worked and printed out the modelines. So I copied those modelines into myxconfig and walla! 1680x1050! So it did actually do the 1600x1200 but some of the screen on the right wasn't there and I couldn't see the bottom. Hope that helps show where they all came from. Guess I should have explained all this in the beginning. Just didn't want to write a Theses :-) _ Add oomph to MSN Search - download MSN Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054XAPID=2083 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
It looks like the TMDS mode checks for available modelines. For 1600x1200 it cannot find any, so it starts using the modelines you provided. In the 2nd try it _does_ find a working mode in its BIOS, so it doesn't look any further at your configuration. From what I gathered about TMDS, it's an automatic setup for XFree86: You might want to give the 1680x1050 setup another try after turning TMDSCoherentMode to off. I'm interested to hear what your results will be. I must say. I to thought it might be that some time ago. But because It worked at the other mode I never gave it another thought. Sadly I tried what you said and still got no result :-( Here is the log with it turned off (II) fglrx(0): (WW) fglrx(0): Only single display is connected, DesktopOption will be ignored (II) fglrx(0): DesktopSetup 0x (II) fglrx(0): Panel ID string: 1680X1050 WSXGA+ (II) fglrx(0): Panel Size from BIOS: 1680x1050 (**) fglrx(0): PseudoColor visuals enabled (**) fglrx(0): Pseudo Color Vsuals enabled (**) fglrx(0): Overlay disabled (II) fglrx(0): PLL parameters: rf=2700 rd=6 min=2 max=35000; xclk=2 (==) fglrx(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (**) fglrx(0): Center Mode is enabled (**) fglrx(0): TMDS coherent mode is disabled (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1680x1050 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1400x1050 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1280x1024 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1280x960 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1024x768 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 800x600 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 640x480 (II) fglrx(0): Total 7 valid mode(s) found. (--) fglrx(0): Virtual size is 1680x1050 (pitch 1728) (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 1680x1050 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 1400x1050 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 1280x1024 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 1280x960 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 1024x768 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 800x600 (**) fglrx(0): *Mode 640x480 (==) fglrx(0): DPI set to (75, 75) (II) Loading sub module fb (II) LoadModule: fb Any other ideas would be wonderful. I'm willing to try just about anything. _ Post your best pics online - only on MSN Groups! http://groups.msn.com/people.msnw?pgmarket=en-za ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Thursday 15 July 2004 22:21, Warren Paul wrote: I must say. I to thought it might be that some time ago. But because It worked at the other mode I never gave it another thought. Sadly I tried what you said and still got no result :-( Hmm, I just had a quick (note the quick: I'm probably overlooking many things in the code here:) look at the source code of the radeon driver (which probably does something similar to the fglrx driver), and it appears that the on-chip modes are tested if: - you don't have a CRT connected, AND - no DCC modes are found OR found modes requested modes AND - you don't have a very small display (illegal size defined in the config file if I'm not mistaken) Now, I noticed the only requested mode you have is 1600x1200 (the other line is commented out). When you tried without 1600x1200, did you uncomment the other line? If not, requested modes would be 0, and the on-chip modes will be tested first. With the 1600x1200 on, the on-chip modes probably will not be tested, since it will most likely find more modes than the 1 requested mode. You could also try turning DCC on, to see if the behaviour changes. Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
I dunno If I have really thanked you for the help, but thanx. This has been frustrating me no end to get this working. Now, I noticed the only requested mode you have is 1600x1200 (the other line is commented out). When you tried without 1600x1200, did you uncomment the other line? If not, requested modes would be 0, and the on-chip modes will be tested first. With the 1600x1200 on, the on-chip modes probably will not be tested, since it will most likely find more modes than the 1 requested mode. The reason I have those lines commented is for testing. So instead of re writing everything out again I just comment and uncomment the lines I need. You could also try turning DCC on, to see if the behaviour changes. Unfortunately I have also tried that and the ignore EDID option. But still no luck. I just cannot seem to get X to ignore the onboard modes and what ever else goes with them and use mine. I'm assuming the problem is that the on-board modes maybe use different vsync and hsync values and or modelines. Hence the reason why X is ignoring what I say. _ Get FREE Web space - click to learn more! http://groups.msn.com/people.msnw?pgmarket=en-za ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Friday 16 July 2004 00:06, Warren Paul wrote: I dunno If I have really thanked you for the help, but thanx. This has been frustrating me no end to get this working. No problem. :) Well, you did say it worked though, right? It's more a matter of understanding _why_ it works. The reason I have those lines commented is for testing. So instead of re writing everything out again I just comment and uncomment the lines I need. Hmm, I didn't get that part from the email you sent with the configuration and log files. The logfile that worked, which lines were uncommented? Hence the reason why X is ignoring what I say. Well, from what I gathered from the source code, the check for those modes takes place before checking the modelines, but only under very specific conditions. Since I'm not _that_ familiar with this code, it'll take a bit of time to figure it all out, but I'm sure we will. It's peeked my curiosity now. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Wednesday 14 July 2004 18:30, Warren Paul wrote: My question then Is what is X doing when it works it out, that I'm not doing when I tell it manually? I think here's the important part of the two logfiles: Working: (==) fglrx(0): TMDS coherent mode is enabled (WW) fglrx(0): Mode 1600x1200 is out of range. Valid mode should be between 320x200-1680x1050 (II) fglrx(0): Total 0 valid mode(s) found. Not working: (==) fglrx(0): TMDS coherent mode is enabled (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1680x1050 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1400x1050 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1280x1024 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1280x960 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 1024x768 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 800x600 (II) fglrx(0): Valid mode using on-chip RMX: 640x480 (II) fglrx(0): Total 7 valid mode(s) found. (--) fglrx(0): Virtual size is 1680x1050 (pitch 1728) It looks like the TMDS mode checks for available modelines. For 1600x1200 it cannot find any, so it starts using the modelines you provided. In the 2nd try it _does_ find a working mode in its BIOS, so it doesn't look any further at your configuration. From what I gathered about TMDS, it's an automatic setup for XFree86: TMDS coherent Internal TMDS transmitter can be programmed in 2 different ways to get best signal qualities depending on connected transmitter chips in the panel. This noise most appears in 1600x1200 mode, but can also come up in 1280x1024x75 Hz. Use Option TMDSCoherentMode to enable (on) or disable (off) coherent mode. Default setting is on. You might want to give the 1680x1050 setup another try after turning TMDSCoherentMode to off. I'm interested to hear what your results will be. Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
reI used this page to great success. Good luck, Mark http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ Thanx Mark Thanx Mark but as you can see X has already produced these modelines, and they work fine when I use the 1600x1200 mode. I guess My question really isn't how? but rather why does it work when I tell x to do a size it can't do rather than me telling it what size is right? I hope I'm making sense ... kinda. Thanx for the reply though and the help Warren Paul (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1680x1050: 147.1 MHz, 65.2 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1680x1050 147.10 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1400x1050: 122.0 MHz, 64.9 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1400x1050 122.00 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1052 1064 1082 +hsync +vsync (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1280x1024: 108.0 MHz, 64.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1280x1024 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1280x960: 108.0 MHz, 60.0 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1280x960 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync (**) fglrx(0): Default mode 1152x768: 65.0 MHz, 44.2 kHz, 54.8 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1152x768 65.00 1152 1178 1314 1472 768 771 777 806 +hsync +vsync (**) fglrx(0): Mode 1024x768: 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 1024x768 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (**) fglrx(0): Mode 800x600: 40.0 MHz, 37.9 kHz, 60.3 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 800x600 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (**) fglrx(0): Mode 640x480: 25.2 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) fglrx(0): Modeline 640x480 25.20 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync _ Death to pop-up ads! Get the ultimate toolbar today. http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054XAPID=2083 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: reI used this page to great success. Good luck, Mark http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ Thanx Mark Thanx Mark but as you can see X has already produced these modelines, and they work fine when I use the 1600x1200 mode. I guess My question really isn't how? but rather why does it work when I tell x to do a size it can't do rather than me telling it what size is right? I hope I'm making sense ... kinda. Thanx for the reply though and the help Warren Paul Hi, OK, so I am probably still misunderstanding you and I no longer have your original post. Also not sure I can help... My problem was that XF86config was choosing to put a bunch of modelines in the config file which worked but looked lousy. For instance, in the case of my laptop which has a 1280x800 native resolution to the screen it was setting things up for 1280x1024 which looked blurry. This page allowed me to correctly set the resolution I wanted which XF86config wasn't able to do for me. If I'm understanding your question above why does it work when I tell x to do a size it can't do, then I think the answer is that X can do all sizes, in some virtual manner, but whether those sizes look good is another thing. In my case it did 1280x1024 even though my screen doesn't. X did some sort of virtual mapping to make it fit. Again, I guess I'm not sure that I've answered your real question but I have, however, exhausted the limits of my understand of this subject!! ;-) Cheers, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: reI used this page to great success. Good luck, Mark http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ Thanx Mark Thanx Mark but as you can see X has already produced these modelines, and they work fine when I use the 1600x1200 mode. I guess My question really isn't how? but rather why does it work when I tell x to do a size it can't do rather than me telling it what size is right? I hope I'm making sense ... kinda. Thanx for the reply though and the help Warren Paul Hi, OK, so I am probably still misunderstanding you and I no longer have your original post. Also not sure I can help... My problem was that XF86config was choosing to put a bunch of modelines in the config file which worked but looked lousy. For instance, in the case of my laptop which has a 1280x800 native resolution to the screen it was setting things up for 1280x1024 which looked blurry. This page allowed me to correctly set the resolution I wanted which XF86config wasn't able to do for me. If I'm understanding your question above why does it work when I tell x to do a size it can't do, then I think the answer is that X can do all sizes, in some virtual manner, but whether those sizes look good is another thing. In my case it did 1280x1024 even though my screen doesn't. X did some sort of virtual mapping to make it fit. Again, I guess I'm not sure that I've answered your real question but I have, however, exhausted the limits of my understand of this subject!! ;-) Cheers, Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86 Cheers Mark :-) I really Appreciate your help any ways. The problem really is that X is getting the correct mode of 1680x1050. And everything looks crystal clear without any gliches. The problem is that It will only do this when I give it a size I guess my screen can't handle more than x can't eg 1600x1050. then It works out the correct modelines and everything for me and everything looks great. But when I tell it to do 1680x1050 it goes on the blitz and doesnt want to work. My question then Is what is X doing when it works it out, that I'm not doing when I tell it manually? Kind regards Warren Paul _ Access your MSN favourites from anywhere - download MSN Toolbar today! http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054XAPID=2083 ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: I really Appreciate your help any ways. The problem really is that X is getting the correct mode of 1680x1050. And everything looks crystal clear without any gliches. The problem is that It will only do this when I give it a size I guess my screen can't handle more than x can't eg 1600x1050. then It works out the correct modelines and everything for me and everything looks great. But when I tell it to do 1680x1050 it goes on the blitz and doesnt want to work. My question then Is what is X doing when it works it out, that I'm not doing when I tell it manually? Kind regards Warren Paul Gee, that is a bit strange. Maybe using something like xdpyinfo (from memory - please use bash completion to find it) might tell you what mode it's really running in when it drops down and works. I'm sure that if you knew what it was set to that you could set it that way as a default. I think the trick is finding all the right values. Best of luck! - Mark ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 22:04, Warren Paul wrote: My question then Is what is X doing when it works it out, that I'm not doing when I tell it manually? In your original post I remember seeing only one configuration/logfile. Would you mind emailing me (us?) both configurations, and both full logfiles (both being the one that _does_, and the one that _doesn't_ seem to work for you. Perhaps we can figure out this mystery. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 12:51:55PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: My problem was that XF86config was choosing to put a bunch of modelines in the config file which worked but looked lousy. For instance, in the case of my laptop which has a 1280x800 native resolution to the screen it was setting things up for 1280x1024 which looked blurry. This page allowed me to correctly set the resolution I wanted which XF86config wasn't able to do for me. Ok, *here's* the weird part. I have a client whose laptop is likewise 1280x800. SuSE's SAX refused to set that size. it would let me set 1280x1024. *But then it actually *did* 1280x800* at server start, anyway. Says so, right there in the log. *Even though there's no modeline for that 1280x800*. Go figure *that* one out. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth[EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth AssociatesThe Things I Think'87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 You know: I'm a fan of photosynthesis as much as the next guy, but if God merely wanted us to smell the flowers, he wouldn't have invented a 3GHz microprocessor and a 3D graphics board. -- Luke Girardi ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
On Tuesday 13 July 2004 22:30, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 12:51:55PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: My problem was that XF86config was choosing to put a bunch of modelines in the config file which worked but looked lousy. For instance, in the case of my laptop which has a 1280x800 native resolution to the screen it was setting things up for 1280x1024 which looked blurry. This page allowed me to correctly set the resolution I wanted which XF86config wasn't able to do for me. Ok, *here's* the weird part. I have a client whose laptop is likewise 1280x800. SuSE's SAX refused to set that size. it would let me set 1280x1024. *But then it actually *did* 1280x800* at server start, anyway. Says so, right there in the log. *Even though there's no modeline for that 1280x800*. Go figure *that* one out. Well, I can see how that works out. If your monitor is set to autodetect, X might recognise that the closest to 1280x1024 on that monitor, and by combining the given modelines with the ones in the BIOS, is 1280x800. It then selects that modeline from your BIOS, and runs it. :) Regards, Pieter Hulshoff ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] how does X find modelines?
Warren Paul wrote: The reason why I'm asking is because I have a wide screen laptop that uses a screen res of 1680x1050. yet for some reason with the ati drivers I just cannot get it to load using this res. Before you say this is not Xfree related, here me out. In order to get the desireable res i have to tell X to use a res of 1600x1200 and then it does this. I used this page to great success. Good luck, Mark http://www.dkfz-heidelberg.de/spec/linux/modeline/ ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
