Re: why do we have to "copy" instead of just "select"

[Patrick Woolsey]

VLCofA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:

>I've tried out many of the other note-grabbing programs, like SOHO
>Notes and Journler and Eagle Filer. Each of them requires only that
>you SELECT the text and invoke its "grab" command. This makes me
>wonder why Yojimbo, which I prefer in every other way, requires that
>we SELECT then COPY the text before we grab it. Any thoughts?
>

Just about every application supports copying, whereas there are many
commonly-used apps which don't support getting the selected text.

Thus, Yojimbo uses the clipboard to make collecting data as consistent and
reliable as possible.


Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey  /  Director of Technical Services
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc.
P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048








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Re: why do we have to "copy" instead of just "select"

[Jim DeVona]

On 5/3/07, VLCofA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi, folks,

I've tried out many of the other note-grabbing programs, like SOHO
Notes and Journler and Eagle Filer. Each of them requires only that
you SELECT the text and invoke its "grab" command. This makes me
wonder why Yojimbo, which I prefer in every other way, requires that
we SELECT then COPY the text before we grab it. Any thoughts?

DS


There is an alternative way to import selected text without using the
clipboard. Yojimbo includes an "Import Text" service (found under the
Services menu in your current application's main menu).

I've also written a standalone service that does more or less the same
thing: http://anoved.net/2007/05/import-yojimbo-note.html The main
difference is that my service imports the text as plain text whereas
Yojimbo's service seems to retain color and style information. Mine
also opens the new note window so that you can edit the note title or
tags.

Hope these methods give you some ideas.

Jim

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Re: why do we have to "copy" instead of just "select"

[Bob Koss]

Am I missing something about the question? What is so hard about  
selecting the text, cmd-c, F8, enter?



On May 4, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jim DeVona wrote:


On 5/3/07, VLCofA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi, folks,

I've tried out many of the other note-grabbing programs, like SOHO
Notes and Journler and Eagle Filer. Each of them requires only that
you SELECT the text and invoke its "grab" command. This makes me
wonder why Yojimbo, which I prefer in every other way, requires that
we SELECT then COPY the text before we grab it. Any thoughts?

DS


There is an alternative way to import selected text without using the
clipboard. Yojimbo includes an "Import Text" service (found under the
Services menu in your current application's main menu).

I've also written a standalone service that does more or less the same
thing: http://anoved.net/2007/05/import-yojimbo-note.html The main
difference is that my service imports the text as plain text whereas
Yojimbo's service seems to retain color and style information. Mine
also opens the new note window so that you can edit the note title or
tags.

Hope these methods give you some ideas.

Jim

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Re: why do we have to "copy" instead of just "select"

[Jim DeVona]

On 5/4/07, Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Am I missing something about the question? What is so hard about
selecting the text, cmd-c, F8, enter?


Nothing is so hard about it. I think the questioner simply expressed
an observation that selecting the text, F8, enter would be one step
shorter, and thus preferable to them. Using a service with a keyboard
shortcut could be one step shorter still: select the text, keystroke
(or "grab").

As Patrick noted and you reiterate, copying is a fairly universal
action that presents little or no difficulty to most users. I don't
think the question is about the difficulty of performing the keystroke
sequence so much as its conceptual focus: if you have to copy the text
anyway, why use the quick input panel at all when you could just
Cmd-Tab to Yojimbo and create the note normally?

(Personally, I'm content with the present mechanism as well, but I
enjoy the exposure to different usages and workflows provided by these
mailing lists, so I like to play devil's advocate now and then to see
how easily different approaches can be facilitated.)

Jim

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Re: why do we have to "copy" instead of just "select"

[VLCofA]

You're right--it's not that hard...

On May 4, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Bob Koss wrote:

Am I missing something about the question? What is so hard about  
selecting the text, cmd-c, F8, enter?


...but, it's four keystrokes vs. two in SOHO Notes, for example.  
Because I use Yojimbo A LOT, those keystrokes feel like they add up.  
That said, I've probably spent more time writing this email than I  
might have lost using Yojimbo all day!


Thanks for the other replies. I appreciate the "official" answer  
pointing out that this behaviour makes Yojimbo more universally  
available. I want to try out that script, too. A keystroke saved...


Danno

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Dates created and modified

[soundsgoodtome]

this is a two-part request:

i'm leaning heavily toward yojimbo, after trying out various  
competitors, especially one called "kit." so now, i'd like to  
transfer some items from kit into yojimbo. but when i do, yojimbo  
registers the date of *import* as the date *created*, which causes  
associated documents (such as pdfs that all pertain to one project)  
to appear out of order, when viewing by date. i often view by date so  
i can quickly reference all of the most recent documents -- of  
various types -- within any folder. but yojimbo's current behavior  
prevents this. (of course, i'm referring to pre-existing documents,  
such as pdfs, etc.) so i was hoping that yojimbo's date fields were  
editable -- perhaps in the inspector window -- but alas, they are not.


hence, request #1: the ability to edit the creation and modification  
dates.


IMHO, registering the date of *import*, as if it were the date of  
creation, is simply incorrect. (the date that a pre-existing document  
was imported into yojimbo seems completely irrelevant to me, as  
opposed to, say, a note that is actually created within yojimbo.)


hence, request #2: yojimbo should inherit a pre-existing document's  
original date of creation. or, if some users find the current  
behavior useful, i'd love to see a preference to toggle this behavior.


i don't know if the topic of yojimbo copying vs. pointing to  
documents has already been discussed. for the record, i do wish  
yojimbo simply pointed to documents, rather than making copies of  
them. however, in the absence of that functionality, if yojimbo must  
copy each document, it should inherit the original dates of creation  
(just as the finder does).


please consider this!  :-)

thanks,

-merv

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Re: Dates created and modified

[Jim DeVona]

On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hence, request #1: the ability to edit the creation and modification
dates.


I would benefit from this as well. I have a large number of small
compositions (~200) originally written in MacJournal. I was able to
import them without problem, but now they all have the same date. This
doesn't matter for most of my other Yojimbo content, but for these
entries it would be meaningful to be able to sort and view them
chronologically.

Since I have already imported these items, the ability to correct
their dates (item "backdating," if you will) would be ideal. However,
I suppose a valid argument could be made to keep these dates
immutable, so in either case preserving the creation date of imported
items would be a reasonable solution.

Jim

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