Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
Yes, Sorry Glen, they were from you, I just made the sets of vine copies Glen was the Originator. Back to SOFA. I've tried to convert them to NTSC, but the originals are in PAL and my software is not playing ball. I've recently converted to using a MAC, and am not fully converse with it yet. If anyone out there knows how to convert PAL to NTSC on a MAC? I'd be much obliged if anyone has a bit of advice. Cris On 19 Jun 2005, at 7:50 pm, Glen Young wrote: Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA. I'll get it in the post mid week. Cris Hey, I provided the discs for the vine..I sent them to our very own IOW meisterwho of course offered them on. Very nice of you Cris to offer SOFA (our leader,let's be fair),copies of the discs. I hoped this would happen as I don't keep track of vines although the Jeff Simmons one sounds very interesting. Is the LHMUMM on his album the same as on JG or did Frank just take the title..I've never heard it. Best, Glen, who is very happy that the Aussies have had it put up them again in my home town (Bristol). For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
I guess I answered that then. The Barcelona you sent me plays on my machine, but not on my DVD player... But then, I spend no time in the TV room (outside of football season), and much time in my computer room. So I guess either format works for me (tho' watching it on a larger screen would be nice, simply watching it is the desired goal). This little episode has shown me just how "illiterate" I've become in the digital video realm; I don't know Jack (couldn't tell ya the difference between DVD and VCD). SOFA - Original Message - From: Jim L To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) I think the Barcelona DVD I sent a good while ago was PAL SOFA. If it plays ok you should be good to go. Jim L For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
I think the Barcelona DVD I sent a good while ago was PAL SOFA. If it plays ok you should be good to go. Jim L From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SOFA Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:29 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) Sweet offer, Cris - thank you. Is it possible for you to burn NTSC? I'm not sure if my player will recognize PAL (It's a little over a year old; what do you think?) Michael, if you're reading this; simply re-offer those which Luis sends - and a huge thanks for your offer as well. You guys are making me all misty... SOFA - Original Message - From: Cris Haldenby To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA. I'll get it in the post mid week. Cris On 19 Jun 2005, at 3:58 pm, SOFA wrote: That is a very generous offer, Luis... (Michael, I hope you're reading this.) I guess Michael will contact you to take you up on it... Personally, I wouldn't mind copies of these myself, but I cannot burn DVD, so I can't pass it along. If anyone has these and would care to trade for them with audio CD, contact me off-list. Happy Father's Day to all the dear-old-dads out there. SOFA > - Original Message - > From: lusi tanio > To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club > (Europe Vine) > > well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else. > Luis For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links • To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!! Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime you use them. Register here with your email address and password of your choice. http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810 Get your friends to register and really see the money grow! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA. I'll get it in the post mid week. Cris Hey, I provided the discs for the vine..I sent them to our very own IOW meisterwho of course offered them on. Very nice of you Cris to offer SOFA (our leader,let's be fair),copies of the discs. I hoped this would happen as I don't keep track of vines although the Jeff Simmons one sounds very interesting. Is the LHMUMM on his album the same as on JG or did Frank just take the title..I've never heard it. Best, Glen, who is very happy that the Aussies have had it put up them again in my home town (Bristol). For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
anyone got any mothers when howard kaplan was with the mothers, that was the best mothers of allSOFA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sweet offer, Cris - thank you. Is it possible for you to burn NTSC? I'm not sure if my player will recognize PAL (It's a little over a year old; what do you think?) Michael, if you're reading this; simply re-offer those which Luis sends - and a huge thanks for your offer as well. You guys are making me all misty... SOFA - Original Message - From: Cris Haldenby To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA.I'll get it in the post mid week.CrisOn 19 Jun 2005, at 3:58 pm, SOFA wrote:That is a very generous offer, Luis...(Michael, I hope you're reading this.) I guess Michael will contact you to take you up on it... Personally, I wouldn't mind copies of these myself, but I cannot burn DVD, so I can't pass it along. If anyone has these and would care to trade for them with audio CD, contact me off-list.Happy Father's Day to all the dear-old-dads out there.SOFA> - Original Message -> From: lusi tanio> To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:30 PM> Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club > (Europe Vine)>> well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else.> LuisFor further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you.Yahoo! Groups Links? To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!!Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime you use them.Register here with your email address and password of your choice.http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810Get your friends to register and really see the money grow!For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
Sweet offer, Cris - thank you. Is it possible for you to burn NTSC? I'm not sure if my player will recognize PAL (It's a little over a year old; what do you think?) Michael, if you're reading this; simply re-offer those which Luis sends - and a huge thanks for your offer as well. You guys are making me all misty... SOFA - Original Message - From: Cris Haldenby To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA.I'll get it in the post mid week.CrisOn 19 Jun 2005, at 3:58 pm, SOFA wrote:That is a very generous offer, Luis...(Michael, I hope you're reading this.) I guess Michael will contact you to take you up on it... Personally, I wouldn't mind copies of these myself, but I cannot burn DVD, so I can't pass it along. If anyone has these and would care to trade for them with audio CD, contact me off-list.Happy Father's Day to all the dear-old-dads out there.SOFA> - Original Message -> From: lusi tanio> To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:30 PM> Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club > (Europe Vine)>> well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else.> LuisFor further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you.Yahoo! Groups Links• To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/• To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]• Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!!Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime you use them.Register here with your email address and password of your choice.http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810Get your friends to register and really see the money grow!For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
Seeing as I started this one off, I'll do you a copy SOFA. I'll get it in the post mid week. Cris On 19 Jun 2005, at 3:58 pm, SOFA wrote: That is a very generous offer, Luis... (Michael, I hope you're reading this.) I guess Michael will contact you to take you up on it... Personally, I wouldn't mind copies of these myself, but I cannot burn DVD, so I can't pass it along. If anyone has these and would care to trade for them with audio CD, contact me off-list. Happy Father's Day to all the dear-old-dads out there. SOFA > - Original Message - > From: lusi tanio > To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club > (Europe Vine) > > well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else. > Luis For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links • To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ • To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] • Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!! Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime you use them. Register here with your email address and password of your choice. http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810 Get your friends to register and really see the money grow! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
That is a very generous offer, Luis... (Michael, I hope you're reading this.) I guess Michael will contact you to take you up on it... Personally, I wouldn't mind copies of these myself, but I cannot burn DVD, so I can't pass it along. If anyone has these and would care to trade for them with audio CD, contact me off-list. Happy Father's Day to all the dear-old-dads out there. SOFA - Original Message - From: lusi tanio To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else. Luis For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
Just received the package Arto...Thanks. - Original Message - From: Arto Suokas To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) snip From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)Now I am confused...Arto I thought was sending me the 5 Video tree thatincludes:- Zappa-MTV-Palladium-Halloween-Late Show-31/10/1981 as opposed to theearly show, and Frank Zappa on the Norman Gunston TV show (January,1976, Australia...I have had the Mudd Club and Saturday night live sometime ago in a 2 dvd vine. snip Spot on Richard, except that the 5 VCD vine has the early show too. I mailed those to you on Tuesday morning. I've had the DVDs for a while, too. Arto PS I'm going to the Zappanale again this year. The French Festival de l'Alambic Electrique recently announced on this very forum looks very interesting too. Thanks to Ryanair, Hapag-Lloyd and other budget airlines, travelling in Europe is pretty cheap and fast - and sometimes nasty, too.For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
They are not here yet Arto, but then my postman has short legs...lol...Will let u know when they arrive - Original Message - From: Arto Suokas To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine) snip From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)Now I am confused...Arto I thought was sending me the 5 Video tree thatincludes:- Zappa-MTV-Palladium-Halloween-Late Show-31/10/1981 as opposed to theearly show, and Frank Zappa on the Norman Gunston TV show (January,1976, Australia...I have had the Mudd Club and Saturday night live sometime ago in a 2 dvd vine. snip Spot on Richard, except that the 5 VCD vine has the early show too. I mailed those to you on Tuesday morning. I've had the DVDs for a while, too. Arto PS I'm going to the Zappanale again this year. The French Festival de l'Alambic Electrique recently announced on this very forum looks very interesting too. Thanks to Ryanair, Hapag-Lloyd and other budget airlines, travelling in Europe is pretty cheap and fast - and sometimes nasty, too.For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
I've had one for a little too long myself. I am going to put it in the mail tomorrow. Since it has come up, I'm mentioning now rather than later. sofa49423fz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anyone confirm the status of this DVD vine(s)?I know this was created before our new system went into effect, but Ihave been receiving questions concerning it - like adding some morenames. Michael Painter wants in, for sure.There were supposedly 3 shoots to this vine, according to Cris. Havethey all reached the end (the non-burners)? If so, might one of theburner recipients please make a re-offer?Any info would be appreciated...SOFA--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "restallp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > With thanks to Richard and of course the rest of the guys> Dimmi your next> > Best regards> Pete> --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Cris Haldenby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > FOR INFORMATION ONLY PLEASE DON"T ADD NAMES TO THIS.> > > > On 5 Apr 2005, at 20:01, Scott Burnett wrote:> > Looks like the European vine is moving along just fine, what > happened > > to the US vine??> > > > > > >> Arto Suokas [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Carsten Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Thierry BARBIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Andre Denis > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Richard Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Pete Restall > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Dimi Grgic > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > OK, Here is the European arm of this DVD vine.> > Please don't add any more names. There are three copies of this > doing > > the rounds and each one ends with a non-burner.> > > > > > Cris> > > > > > > > > __> __ > > __> > MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!!> > Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime > you > > use them.> > Register here with your email address and password of your choice.> > http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810> > Get your friends to register and really see the money grow!For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Discover Yahoo!Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: DVDs Saturday Night live and Mudd Club (Europe Vine)
well, i can make a copy to michael or anyone else. Luis sofa49423fz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anyone confirm the status of this DVD vine(s)?I know this was created before our new system went into effect, but Ihave been receiving questions concerning it - like adding some morenames. Michael Painter wants in, for sure.There were supposedly 3 shoots to this vine, according to Cris. Havethey all reached the end (the non-burners)? If so, might one of theburner recipients please make a re-offer?Any info would be appreciated...SOFA--- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "restallp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > With thanks to Richard and of course the rest of the guys> Dimmi your next> > Best regards> Pete> --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, Cris Haldenby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > FOR INFORMATION ONLY PLEASE DON"T ADD NAMES TO THIS.> > > > On 5 Apr 2005, at 20:01, Scott Burnett wrote:> > Looks like the European vine is moving along just fine, what > happened > > to the US vine??> > > > > > >> Arto Suokas [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Carsten Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Thierry BARBIER [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Andre Denis > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Richard Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Pete Restall > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Dimi Grgic > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Federico Valdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > OK, Here is the European arm of this DVD vine.> > Please don't add any more names. There are three copies of this > doing > > the rounds and each one ends with a non-burner.> > > > > > Cris> > > > > > > > > __> __ > > __> > MAKE MONEY WITH EVERY CLICK YOU MAKE!!> > Google, Ask Jeeves, and other search engines will pay, everytime > you > > use them.> > Register here with your email address and password of your choice.> > http://www.wisdom4all.co.uk/index.php?ref=1000810> > Get your friends to register and really see the money grow!For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.