Re: [zbmethod] Re: Finished Generating some algs
Looks better Thom, good work! Now that we have a central location, I have a few questions: Have we decided on a labeling system? If not, that is of course important. Also, what format will we present the cases in? 3D+2D image? Lets brainstorm here. After we've decide we can put together a cumulative schedule for researching cases. Many thanks to everyone who are working so hard for organizing the effort. -Richard -- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I just tidyed it up for you, looks nicer now > :) > > > > Sorry if I'm benig pushy about you putting stuff > here, but I want a > > success :) > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I played around with it, but not enough to > figure out > > > much. I did put in the categories that I > thought most > > > appropriate for the main zb research page. We > can > > > expand on it of course. > > > > > > -Richard > > > > > > --- thomkirjava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Use the WikiCube! That's what it's there for. > > > > > > > > Post whatever you like and I'll neaten it up > and > > > > divide it into > > > > certain sections. > > > > > > > > Easy to change, anyone can edit it. Perfect :) > Easy > > > > to upload images, > > > > etc, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.snkenjoi.com/wikicube/mediawiki-1.5.3/index.php? > title=ZB_Research > > > > > > > > There's a link to get you started. > > > > > > > > Shout me if you get problems :) > > > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van > den > > > > Peereboom > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree, I proposed a possible location but > it > > > > doesn't look like many > > > > > people like it. > > > > > And we need something more designed than > just txt > > > > documents in the > > > > file section. > > > > > Webspace is not the problem, what we need is > a > > > > powerful interface that > > > > > fits our needs. > > > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > 2005/12/20, Richard Patterson > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Maybe I'm beating a dead dog here, but I > > > > believe > > > > > > starting an orginizational effort with > > > > scattering > > > > > > everyones results among multiple folders > is a > > > > bad > > > > > > idea. It is key to start off on the > right foot > > > > here. > > > > > > When everyone realizes this scattered > approach > > > > isn't > > > > > > beneficial, it will take even longer to > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > The importance of a central location for > all > > > > results > > > > > > (raw and optimized) is vital. Instead of > > > > looking for > > > > > > algs right now we should be looking for > > > > webspace; as > > > > > > well as people who are willing to > receive, sort > > > > > > through, and post results that are sent > in. > > > > Please > > > > > > trust me on this! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did a full pass on the U2 cases today > on my > > > > > > > fastest computer. Could > > > > > > > someone look at those and perhaps see > if the > > > > ones > > > > > > > (half) Chris posted > > > > > > > on his site are among them... or > perhaps > > > > better > > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was to benchmark my computer > setup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took about 8 hours... I had a second > > > > computer > > > > > > > also do the same run > > > > > > > to double-check the results (sort of > > > > unnecessary). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted the results in the files > section of > > > > this > > > > > > > group. I think each > > > > > > > of you should create a folder with your > name > > > > when > > > > > > > you post data like > > > > > > > this. I don't think we'll run out of > room > > > > here > > > > > > > it's all text files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also posted the 5EO/5EP algs sets... > > > > something > > > > > > > Mike said he was > > > > > > > interested in. Have a look if you're > curious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 3 fairly powerful computers in > my > > > > apartment > > > > > > > (1 seems to beep a > > > > > > > lot when overheated though)... I can > spend > > > > about 10 > > > > > > > hrs (so 1 day) to > > > > > > > do 3 COLL cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the purposes of generating algs, I > think > > > > > > > inverses should be > > > > > > > counted separately, mirrors together, > and > > > > PLLs > > > > > > > skipped (obviously). > > > > > > > This yields 29 cases by my rough count. > (5 T, > > > > 5 U, 4 > > > > > > > L, 6 S, 5 Pi, 4 H) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris has 6.5 of these done. Now that I > went > > > > through > > > > > > > U2 in it's > > > > > > > entirety, that leaves only
[zbmethod] Re: Finished Generating some algs
That wikipedia thing is VERY cool! It would be great if we could pool more knowledge into it. I'm new to using it though. -Doug --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I just tidyed it up for you, looks nicer now :) > > Sorry if I'm benig pushy about you putting stuff here, but I want a > success :) > > ~Thom > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I played around with it, but not enough to figure out > > much. I did put in the categories that I thought most > > appropriate for the main zb research page. We can > > expand on it of course. > > > > -Richard > > > > --- thomkirjava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Use the WikiCube! That's what it's there for. > > > > > > Post whatever you like and I'll neaten it up and > > > divide it into > > > certain sections. > > > > > > Easy to change, anyone can edit it. Perfect :) Easy > > > to upload images, > > > etc, etc. > > > > > > > > > http://www.snkenjoi.com/wikicube/mediawiki-1.5.3/index.php? title=ZB_Research > > > > > > There's a link to get you started. > > > > > > Shout me if you get problems :) > > > > > > ~Thom > > > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > > Peereboom > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree, I proposed a possible location but it > > > doesn't look like many > > > > people like it. > > > > And we need something more designed than just txt > > > documents in the > > > file section. > > > > Webspace is not the problem, what we need is a > > > powerful interface that > > > > fits our needs. > > > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > 2005/12/20, Richard Patterson > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Maybe I'm beating a dead dog here, but I > > > believe > > > > > starting an orginizational effort with > > > scattering > > > > > everyones results among multiple folders is a > > > bad > > > > > idea. It is key to start off on the right foot > > > here. > > > > > When everyone realizes this scattered approach > > > isn't > > > > > beneficial, it will take even longer to > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > The importance of a central location for all > > > results > > > > > (raw and optimized) is vital. Instead of > > > looking for > > > > > algs right now we should be looking for > > > webspace; as > > > > > well as people who are willing to receive, sort > > > > > through, and post results that are sent in. > > > Please > > > > > trust me on this! > > > > > > > > > > -Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I did a full pass on the U2 cases today on my > > > > > > fastest computer. Could > > > > > > someone look at those and perhaps see if the > > > ones > > > > > > (half) Chris posted > > > > > > on his site are among them... or perhaps > > > better > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > This was to benchmark my computer setup. > > > > > > > > > > > > It took about 8 hours... I had a second > > > computer > > > > > > also do the same run > > > > > > to double-check the results (sort of > > > unnecessary). > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted the results in the files section of > > > this > > > > > > group. I think each > > > > > > of you should create a folder with your name > > > when > > > > > > you post data like > > > > > > this. I don't think we'll run out of room > > > here > > > > > > it's all text files. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also posted the 5EO/5EP algs sets... > > > something > > > > > > Mike said he was > > > > > > interested in. Have a look if you're curious. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 3 fairly powerful computers in my > > > apartment > > > > > > (1 seems to beep a > > > > > > lot when overheated though)... I can spend > > > about 10 > > > > > > hrs (so 1 day) to > > > > > > do 3 COLL cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the purposes of generating algs, I think > > > > > > inverses should be > > > > > > counted separately, mirrors together, and > > > PLLs > > > > > > skipped (obviously). > > > > > > This yields 29 cases by my rough count. (5 T, > > > 5 U, 4 > > > > > > L, 6 S, 5 Pi, 4 H) > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris has 6.5 of these done. Now that I went > > > through > > > > > > U2 in it's > > > > > > entirety, that leaves only 22 COLLs. I should > > > be > > > > > > able to do this in > > > > > > about 11 days. (Keep one computer free for my > > > gaming > > > > > > needs :).) > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a "quick and dirty double pass," I > > > run them > > > > > > all FTM optimized > > > > > > with 777 and 431 masking. 431 is many times > > > faster > > > > > > than 777 it turns > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I take the 16 brand new Dells out of > > > their > > > > > > boxes, set them up and > > > > > > run have them running ACube... I'm thinking > > > 2.5 > > > > > > days, or 2 days based > > > > > > on what I'll alre
[zbmethod] Re: Finished Generating some algs
Yeah, I just tidyed it up for you, looks nicer now :) Sorry if I'm benig pushy about you putting stuff here, but I want a success :) ~Thom --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Richard Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I played around with it, but not enough to figure out > much. I did put in the categories that I thought most > appropriate for the main zb research page. We can > expand on it of course. > > -Richard > > --- thomkirjava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Use the WikiCube! That's what it's there for. > > > > Post whatever you like and I'll neaten it up and > > divide it into > > certain sections. > > > > Easy to change, anyone can edit it. Perfect :) Easy > > to upload images, > > etc, etc. > > > > > http://www.snkenjoi.com/wikicube/mediawiki-1.5.3/index.php?title=ZB_Research > > > > There's a link to get you started. > > > > Shout me if you get problems :) > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > > Peereboom > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I agree, I proposed a possible location but it > > doesn't look like many > > > people like it. > > > And we need something more designed than just txt > > documents in the > > file section. > > > Webspace is not the problem, what we need is a > > powerful interface that > > > fits our needs. > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > 2005/12/20, Richard Patterson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Maybe I'm beating a dead dog here, but I > > believe > > > > starting an orginizational effort with > > scattering > > > > everyones results among multiple folders is a > > bad > > > > idea. It is key to start off on the right foot > > here. > > > > When everyone realizes this scattered approach > > isn't > > > > beneficial, it will take even longer to > > correct. > > > > > > > > The importance of a central location for all > > results > > > > (raw and optimized) is vital. Instead of > > looking for > > > > algs right now we should be looking for > > webspace; as > > > > well as people who are willing to receive, sort > > > > through, and post results that are sent in. > > Please > > > > trust me on this! > > > > > > > > -Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I did a full pass on the U2 cases today on my > > > > > fastest computer. Could > > > > > someone look at those and perhaps see if the > > ones > > > > > (half) Chris posted > > > > > on his site are among them... or perhaps > > better > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > This was to benchmark my computer setup. > > > > > > > > > > It took about 8 hours... I had a second > > computer > > > > > also do the same run > > > > > to double-check the results (sort of > > unnecessary). > > > > > > > > > > I posted the results in the files section of > > this > > > > > group. I think each > > > > > of you should create a folder with your name > > when > > > > > you post data like > > > > > this. I don't think we'll run out of room > > here > > > > > it's all text files. > > > > > > > > > > I also posted the 5EO/5EP algs sets... > > something > > > > > Mike said he was > > > > > interested in. Have a look if you're curious. > > > > > > > > > > I have 3 fairly powerful computers in my > > apartment > > > > > (1 seems to beep a > > > > > lot when overheated though)... I can spend > > about 10 > > > > > hrs (so 1 day) to > > > > > do 3 COLL cases. > > > > > > > > > > For the purposes of generating algs, I think > > > > > inverses should be > > > > > counted separately, mirrors together, and > > PLLs > > > > > skipped (obviously). > > > > > This yields 29 cases by my rough count. (5 T, > > 5 U, 4 > > > > > L, 6 S, 5 Pi, 4 H) > > > > > > > > > > Chris has 6.5 of these done. Now that I went > > through > > > > > U2 in it's > > > > > entirety, that leaves only 22 COLLs. I should > > be > > > > > able to do this in > > > > > about 11 days. (Keep one computer free for my > > gaming > > > > > needs :).) > > > > > > > > > > This is a "quick and dirty double pass," I > > run them > > > > > all FTM optimized > > > > > with 777 and 431 masking. 431 is many times > > faster > > > > > than 777 it turns > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > Once I take the 16 brand new Dells out of > > their > > > > > boxes, set them up and > > > > > run have them running ACube... I'm thinking > > 2.5 > > > > > days, or 2 days based > > > > > on what I'll already have completed. > > > > > > > > > > By getting through all this so fast, I can go > > back > > > > > though at a latter > > > > > time to work on specific ones, for FUR-type > > or > > > > > various sub-opt finds. > > > > > > > > > > I've already started churning out the U3/U4 > > algs on > > > > > my 2 fastest > > > > > computers. I estimate being 25% done with > > this COLL. > > > > > Someone start on > > > > > the L-Orientation (minus no CP) if you want > > to join > > > > > in on my effort. I > > > > > hop
Re: [zbmethod] Re: Finished Generating some algs
I played around with it, but not enough to figure out much. I did put in the categories that I thought most appropriate for the main zb research page. We can expand on it of course. -Richard --- thomkirjava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Use the WikiCube! That's what it's there for. > > Post whatever you like and I'll neaten it up and > divide it into > certain sections. > > Easy to change, anyone can edit it. Perfect :) Easy > to upload images, > etc, etc. > > http://www.snkenjoi.com/wikicube/mediawiki-1.5.3/index.php?title=ZB_Research > > There's a link to get you started. > > Shout me if you get problems :) > > ~Thom > > --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den > Peereboom > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree, I proposed a possible location but it > doesn't look like many > > people like it. > > And we need something more designed than just txt > documents in the > file section. > > Webspace is not the problem, what we need is a > powerful interface that > > fits our needs. > > > > Gilles. > > > > 2005/12/20, Richard Patterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Maybe I'm beating a dead dog here, but I > believe > > > starting an orginizational effort with > scattering > > > everyones results among multiple folders is a > bad > > > idea. It is key to start off on the right foot > here. > > > When everyone realizes this scattered approach > isn't > > > beneficial, it will take even longer to > correct. > > > > > > The importance of a central location for all > results > > > (raw and optimized) is vital. Instead of > looking for > > > algs right now we should be looking for > webspace; as > > > well as people who are willing to receive, sort > > > through, and post results that are sent in. > Please > > > trust me on this! > > > > > > -Richard > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I did a full pass on the U2 cases today on my > > > > fastest computer. Could > > > > someone look at those and perhaps see if the > ones > > > > (half) Chris posted > > > > on his site are among them... or perhaps > better > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > This was to benchmark my computer setup. > > > > > > > > It took about 8 hours... I had a second > computer > > > > also do the same run > > > > to double-check the results (sort of > unnecessary). > > > > > > > > I posted the results in the files section of > this > > > > group. I think each > > > > of you should create a folder with your name > when > > > > you post data like > > > > this. I don't think we'll run out of room > here > > > > it's all text files. > > > > > > > > I also posted the 5EO/5EP algs sets... > something > > > > Mike said he was > > > > interested in. Have a look if you're curious. > > > > > > > > I have 3 fairly powerful computers in my > apartment > > > > (1 seems to beep a > > > > lot when overheated though)... I can spend > about 10 > > > > hrs (so 1 day) to > > > > do 3 COLL cases. > > > > > > > > For the purposes of generating algs, I think > > > > inverses should be > > > > counted separately, mirrors together, and > PLLs > > > > skipped (obviously). > > > > This yields 29 cases by my rough count. (5 T, > 5 U, 4 > > > > L, 6 S, 5 Pi, 4 H) > > > > > > > > Chris has 6.5 of these done. Now that I went > through > > > > U2 in it's > > > > entirety, that leaves only 22 COLLs. I should > be > > > > able to do this in > > > > about 11 days. (Keep one computer free for my > gaming > > > > needs :).) > > > > > > > > This is a "quick and dirty double pass," I > run them > > > > all FTM optimized > > > > with 777 and 431 masking. 431 is many times > faster > > > > than 777 it turns > > > > out. > > > > > > > > Once I take the 16 brand new Dells out of > their > > > > boxes, set them up and > > > > run have them running ACube... I'm thinking > 2.5 > > > > days, or 2 days based > > > > on what I'll already have completed. > > > > > > > > By getting through all this so fast, I can go > back > > > > though at a latter > > > > time to work on specific ones, for FUR-type > or > > > > various sub-opt finds. > > > > > > > > I've already started churning out the U3/U4 > algs on > > > > my 2 fastest > > > > computers. I estimate being 25% done with > this COLL. > > > > Someone start on > > > > the L-Orientation (minus no CP) if you want > to join > > > > in on my effort. I > > > > hope you guys are satisfied that me and Chris > have > > > > the U-Orientation > > > > covered. > > > > > > > > At the end of this "first quick pass", I'll > also do > > > > on the T- > > > > Orientations and "no CP ones" just for > completeness. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > __
[zbmethod] Re: Finished Generating some algs
Use the WikiCube! That's what it's there for. Post whatever you like and I'll neaten it up and divide it into certain sections. Easy to change, anyone can edit it. Perfect :) Easy to upload images, etc, etc. http://www.snkenjoi.com/wikicube/mediawiki-1.5.3/index.php?title=ZB_Research There's a link to get you started. Shout me if you get problems :) ~Thom --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree, I proposed a possible location but it doesn't look like many > people like it. > And we need something more designed than just txt documents in the file section. > Webspace is not the problem, what we need is a powerful interface that > fits our needs. > > Gilles. > > 2005/12/20, Richard Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Maybe I'm beating a dead dog here, but I believe > > starting an orginizational effort with scattering > > everyones results among multiple folders is a bad > > idea. It is key to start off on the right foot here. > > When everyone realizes this scattered approach isn't > > beneficial, it will take even longer to correct. > > > > The importance of a central location for all results > > (raw and optimized) is vital. Instead of looking for > > algs right now we should be looking for webspace; as > > well as people who are willing to receive, sort > > through, and post results that are sent in. Please > > trust me on this! > > > > -Richard > > > > > > --- Doug Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I did a full pass on the U2 cases today on my > > > fastest computer. Could > > > someone look at those and perhaps see if the ones > > > (half) Chris posted > > > on his site are among them... or perhaps better > > > ones. > > > > > > This was to benchmark my computer setup. > > > > > > It took about 8 hours... I had a second computer > > > also do the same run > > > to double-check the results (sort of unnecessary). > > > > > > I posted the results in the files section of this > > > group. I think each > > > of you should create a folder with your name when > > > you post data like > > > this. I don't think we'll run out of room here > > > it's all text files. > > > > > > I also posted the 5EO/5EP algs sets... something > > > Mike said he was > > > interested in. Have a look if you're curious. > > > > > > I have 3 fairly powerful computers in my apartment > > > (1 seems to beep a > > > lot when overheated though)... I can spend about 10 > > > hrs (so 1 day) to > > > do 3 COLL cases. > > > > > > For the purposes of generating algs, I think > > > inverses should be > > > counted separately, mirrors together, and PLLs > > > skipped (obviously). > > > This yields 29 cases by my rough count. (5 T, 5 U, 4 > > > L, 6 S, 5 Pi, 4 H) > > > > > > Chris has 6.5 of these done. Now that I went through > > > U2 in it's > > > entirety, that leaves only 22 COLLs. I should be > > > able to do this in > > > about 11 days. (Keep one computer free for my gaming > > > needs :).) > > > > > > This is a "quick and dirty double pass," I run them > > > all FTM optimized > > > with 777 and 431 masking. 431 is many times faster > > > than 777 it turns > > > out. > > > > > > Once I take the 16 brand new Dells out of their > > > boxes, set them up and > > > run have them running ACube... I'm thinking 2.5 > > > days, or 2 days based > > > on what I'll already have completed. > > > > > > By getting through all this so fast, I can go back > > > though at a latter > > > time to work on specific ones, for FUR-type or > > > various sub-opt finds. > > > > > > I've already started churning out the U3/U4 algs on > > > my 2 fastest > > > computers. I estimate being 25% done with this COLL. > > > Someone start on > > > the L-Orientation (minus no CP) if you want to join > > > in on my effort. I > > > hope you guys are satisfied that me and Chris have > > > the U-Orientation > > > covered. > > > > > > At the end of this "first quick pass", I'll also do > > > on the T- > > > Orientations and "no CP ones" just for completeness. > > > > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "zbmethod" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/MXMplB/TM ~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*
