Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

Brett, This is what zen is: Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace..

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

Hi Steve, Thank you for taking the time to explain that to me.  I find it interesting.  Are people who practice Zen generally atheist, or do they see God just in a different way then other religions, or do people who practice Zen have all different types of view concerning the subject of God, an

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin wrote: > > Hi Steve, > I have been reading a lot of the post here, and find them interesting, but > have little to say about the subjects since I know very little about zen > meditation.  I meditate daily but the terms used in this group throw me

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Brett Corbin wrote: > > Hi Steve, > I have been reading a lot of the post here, and find them interesting, but > have little to say about the subjects since I know very little about zen > meditation.  I meditate daily but the terms used in this group throw me

[Zen] Re: Differences in Practice

ED, You could say 'mindfulness'. That's okay, I know what you mean, but I wouldn't say that since it is really 'empty mind' or 'clear mind' - which is in fact the opposite of having a 'full mind' (which I know is not what you mean by 'mindfulness', but it could be misinterpreted by someone els

Re: [Zen] Re: Greetings

Dear Bill "I am back after taking a break to focus on business, study Sufism, particularly teaching stories,--" This was not meant to imply that Sufism had the only tradition of teaching stories, but that I had been focusing and studying Sufi teaching stories; also, the tales of Nasrudin,

Re: [Zen] Re: Greetings

Thank you Sea Kirk In a message dated 1/26/2011 6:09:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, seacrofter...@yahoo.com writes: --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote: > > Kirk, > > I don't know of a tradition or culture that doesn't use stories to instruct. But I am aware that Su

[Zen] Re: Greetings

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote: > > Kirk, > > I don't know of a tradition or culture that doesn't use stories to instruct. But I am aware that Sufism is well known for that. > > ...Bill! > > Dear Bill > > > > There is a tradition in Sufism where teaching stories are used to in

[Zen] Re: Differences in Practice

Bill, "According to Dôgen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of brightly alert attention that is free of thoughts, directed to no object, and attached to no particular content—is the highest or purest form of zazen, zazen as it was practiced by all the buddhas of the past." (Wiki) Perhap

Re: [Zen] Re: Differences in Practice

Bill, When you say 'just sit', does it involve actual sitting down? Shikantaza means 'just sit', and nothing else. You cannot just utter the name of DL casually. It would be a serious spiritual offense. You should wash your mouth first, accompanied by incense burning. Anthony --- On Thu, 27/1

[Zen] Re: Differences in Practice

Anthony, You are desribing the esoteric Tibetan Crab Shikantaza. I didn't know anyone outside of the Grand Temple in Lhasa (other than Dal and me)that know about that! As you know...when I use the term 'shikantaza' I mean 'clear mind' and don't always think of it as involving actual sitting d

[Zen] Re: Greetings

Kirk, I don't know of a tradition or culture that doesn't use stories to instruct. But I am aware that Sufism is well known for that. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, novelidea8@... wrote: > > Dear Bill > > There is a tradition in Sufism where teaching stories are used to instruct,

Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion.

Thank you Anthony. Brett http://www.pbase.com/brett1963 --- On Wed, 1/26/11, Anthony Wu wrote: From: Anthony Wu Subject: Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 3:31 PM Brett, It is great t

Re: [Zen] The detection and transferring of karma

JMJM, Don't worry. I am not always picking on you. It is good to burn all books. But you just threw in one with 60 pages. Anthony --- On Thu, 27/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subject: Re: [Zen] The detection and transferring of karma To: Zen_Forum@yah

Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion.

Brett, It is great that you keep an open mind. Anthony --- On Thu, 27/1/11, Brett Corbin wrote: From: Brett Corbin Subject: Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion. To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 27 January, 2011, 7:01 AM  

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

ED,   What is your wavelenth? 999 megahertz, or 888 microhertz?   What you say today is different from you usual way. OK, you go along with Bill's approach of non-discrimination, putting everything as illusion. There are two ways of approaching this:   Agnostic, or Sceptic.   Which is your wavele

Re: [Zen] The detection and transferring of karma

Dearest Anthony, I do understand your worry. You sounded true from your heart. A bow to you. I have not read all the definitions of Chan or karma out there. Nor do I claim what I posted is the absolute and the only truth. I continue to claim, what I say has no value, unless you practice

Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion.

Hello Anthony, Thank you for your response to my post, I thought I may have crossed the line with my statement.  I believe truth is all around us, and that we can not put it into a nice box.  I feel there is truth in many teaching out there, and I have learned many things, from many sources.  Bu

Re: [Zen] Re: Differences in Practice

Bill/JMJM,   Interesting. Nevertheless, I don't see much in common between you two. For my part, I would say I am inclined more toward Bill, as his way is more simple and does not have to worry much on something external.   Bill, I am willing to follow you to the letter, except for one thing. Yo

Re: [Zen] Not a follower of any certain teaching or religion.

Bret,   You say, it limits us to that certain teaching, and makes us believe that all other belifs are off in some way, and that we alone have the real truth.   Your reasoning sounds good. However, does that also limit you and make you believe tht all other ways are off in some way?   Anthony   B

Re: [Zen] The detection and transferring of karma

JMJM,   Both of us have to be careful on the terms you use and define:   Karma, Chan.   What you mean by these two words are different from Buddhism and Hinduism.   That has caused confusion.   Anthony --- On Wed, 26/1/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 Subje

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

Hi Steve, I have been reading a lot of the post here, and find them interesting, but have little to say about the subjects since I know very little about zen meditation.  I meditate daily but the terms used in this group throw me off.  A question I have is, in zen practice, is it the belief that

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Thank you for your mention of Pure Land Buddhism. > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Land_Buddhism > ) > > Some three and a half decades ago I had decided that Zen was more

Re: [Zen] Re: Greetings

Dear Bill There is a tradition in Sufism where teaching stories are used to instruct, enlighten, etc . . . best wishes Kirk In a message dated 1/25/2011 10:21:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, billsm...@hhs1963.org writes: Wecome back. What is 'teaching stories'? Does that mea

Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist?

Steve, Thank you for your mention of Pure Land Buddhism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Land_Buddhism ) Some three and a half decades ago I had decided that Zen was more suitable for me and had set aside Pure Land Buddhism as not an appropri