ED, What is your wavelenth? 999 megahertz, or 888 microhertz? What you say today is different from you usual way. OK, you go along with Bill's approach of non-discrimination, putting everything as illusion. There are two ways of approaching this: Agnostic, or Sceptic. Which is your wavelength? Anthony
--- On Wed, 26/1/11, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Zen] Is Chan Buddhist? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 26 January, 2011, 9:42 AM I am esentially on the same wave-lengrh as you two. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > Steve, I agree with everything you have posted below and have in fact posted the same over and over in this forum for years. These are conclusions I arrived at myself, not ones I were taught - but as you say there are hints and insinuations of these in many zen texts. It seems completely obvious to me now. Of course the counter-argument to this is that I just see/interpret what I want to see. How did you arrive at these conclusions? By yourself or through some teaching - writings or in-person? Thanks...Bill! > > Hi Bill! I was taught zazen initially by those Japanese Karate sensei who happened to follow Soto. I was taught pretty much as you say. We did use the seiza kneeling posture, but that is generally used in traditional Karate-Do. I agree with you in regards to karma. > In my opinion, it is lower-level understanding, deriving from common-sense notions of time and causality that are valid only from the relative, finite point of view. This is tied-in with the Two Truths understanding. Ultimately, in my opinion, even The Twelve-Fold Chain of Dependant Origination is illusiory, but useful for practice from the relative view-point. You know, The Heart Sutra pretty much just comes out and says this, imo. In my opinion, common-sense notions of cause and effect are based upon the illusion of sequential time. If, as I believe, time is an illusion and only Now exists, then even the doctrine of sequential re-birth is an illusion. IMO, everything is happening now. IMO, a lot of Buddhist doctrines are upaya, useful fictions for practice. This is one conclusion I have come to after over 3 decades of watching my breathing, not only while sitting, but also in daily activity. However, I could be just mistaken. > Steve
