Mike,
Yes, the way some people talk sometimes, you'd think Zen has nothing to do with
ANYTHING... which is not the case (I don't mean you, Mike!).
Some say that precepts have nothing to do with Zen; that would be a fair
judgement, if these people knew Zen intimately.
Precepts, however, have
Joe,br/br/I think so, too. I'm sure Edgar would scoff at the rituals
performed in Zen (especially Soto). But for me, both the precepts and rituals
(how to enter the zendo, for example) are there to remind us to be aware and
awake and that each and every movement is an opportunity for
Joe,br/br/I think so, too. I'm sure Edgar would scoff at the rituals
performed in Zen (especially Soto). But for me, both the precepts and rituals
(how to enter the zendo, for example) are there to remind us to be aware and
awake and that each and every movement is an opportunity for
Mike and Joe,
Correct! There is nothing wrong with a little reminder for the unenlightened
ones. Problem is that the reminders very often become more important than what
they are supposed to remind of.
Does Buddha need to be reminded he's Buddha?
Edgar
On Feb 3, 2013, at 7:49 PM,
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Mike, Howdy,
Well, I don't know; I just don't know.
But a line I heard from a Taoist master once, was:
If they laugh, you can be sure you have the real thing.
[-)
--Joe
;-)
PS But Ritual, anyway, is just Making visible of the invisible. Nothing
wrong with that. Astronomers and
Edgar,
I won't say!
In a formal practice place, though, I'd say we just follow the customs and the
rules, and enjoy every minute of it. We are practicing with great mature
Bodhisattvas, as well as with beginners, all together. We act uniformly, and
no one opts-out, nor acts out (except in
Mike,
Mike wrote, below:
...(how to enter the zendo, for example) are there to remind us to be aware
and awake and that each and every movement is an opportunity for
enlightenment...
Agreed.
In some places, too, the doorway of the meditation hall can be a little narrow,
and people are
And without the sun, the moon would not be in shadow nor would it be
illuminated.
Iain.
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And without the sun, the moon would not be in shadow neither would it be
illuminated
Iain.
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Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have
Joe,br/br/What you say makes sense on the social side of things, but
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Mike, Iain,
I remind you all, also, that it's not just the shadows that make the moon
appear to go through changes. It's our point of view.
Viewed from the Sun, there ARE no shadows, period (unless there's something
brighter). Just think about that. The Sun never sees a shadow.
Viewed from
Mike,
Indeed. That's why I wrote agreed. And went on to emphasize the other.
But please say more upon where we agreed, even though I felt the same.
There may also be others here who want to hear this for perhaps the first time.
I, too, would like to know just exactly what you have in
Joe,br/br/With pleasure. The ritualised side of Soto Zen pratice allows us
to be aware that each moment/movement is sacred. Off course, wiping the shit
off the side of the toilet is no less sacred than bowing to the Roshi or
reciting the precepts, but such rituals help to unify the mind and
The real enemy are not war criminals but the Illuminanti. They are the puppet
masters, simple minds are preferable to them. If you make progress you will
attract their attention. As has been pointed out the way is not related to
conventional morality.
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