Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread Bill!
Larry, IMO the basis of all cultural and societal values and mores are practicality. I think problems come in when the needs of the population changes but the values and mores are too rigid to adjust to meet them. I don't think any of these are 'noble', but in fact that the judgment of

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
 what was?...merle I thought it was a 60s flashback thing.. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org; To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [Zen] Re: the human body Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 9:42:54 AM   Merle, Did you

Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread Bill!
Merle, I mean liberty and security in a society are usually related in an inverse proportion. The more liberty you have the less security; and the more security you have the less liberty. In other words the more laws the less liberty but the more security. The less laws the more liberty but

Re: [Zen] creation

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
 not the cut and paste..leave out the body of the message  i pray to hear what you mean by your post what appearances?  huh?  merle     On 8/25/2013 5:17 AM, Merle Lester wrote: now tell me i'm delusional... as i struggling to cope with the lack of awareness from some human beings on this

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
 because i can and it's fun!..i do not follow the norm mike..do you?..merle   Your definition is meaningless though and certainly not in accord with how most people define 'God'. The universe works just fine without such a belief. Why paint legs on a snake? Mike Sent from Yahoo!

Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
  the simpler you live...the better the outcome...merle   1- Life is suffering. 2- We suffer because we crave (want, desire, whatever) It doesn't matter where you live or whom you live with. We can always chose freedom through 'want' reduction. I'm a victim to. No need to remind me.  On

Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread Bill!
Larry, I agree most of what you posted here, but would like to add that most people however choose security over freedom. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote: 1- Life is suffering. 2- We suffer because we crave (want, desire, whatever) It doesn't

RE: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/what the hell did you think god was?...br/br/I'm not sure, but does he wear the Welsh number 15 shirt and convert the winning kick against England last year?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] How “spiritual” you are has nothing to do with what you believe

2013-08-26 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
SPIRITUALITY AND RELIGION - ECKHART TOLLE What is the role of the established religions in the arising of the new consciousness? Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system a set of thoughts that you regard as the

[Zen] Do we need to become imprisoned in words and thoughts?

2013-08-26 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
EGO: THE CURRENT STATE OF HUMANITY - ECKHART TOLLE Words, no matter whether they are vocalized and made into sounds or remain unspoken as thoughts, can cast an almost hypnotic spell upon you. You easily lose yourself in them, become hypnotized into implicitly believing that when you have

[Zen] “Johnny is hungry.”

2013-08-26 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
THE ILLUSORY SELF - ECKHART TOLLE The word “I” embodies the greatest error and the deepest truth, depending on how it is used. In conventional usage, it is not only one of the most frequently used words in the language (together with the related words: “me,” “my,” “mine,” and “myself”) but also

Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
of course I'd agree. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: ** Larry, I agree most of what you posted here, but would like to add that most people however choose security over freedom. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@...

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Thing is tho, a belief in a deity *is* the norm. And is also 'painting legs on a snake' because it just isn't needed. Also, not sure how believing in a god is fun. Each to their own, I suppose.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
I hate to quote the master but the Buddha said 'since there is no way to prove the existence of God or nor disprove, believe whatever makes it easier for you.'... What good does it do for a rock to call another rock 'hard?' L On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 5:53 PM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: **

Re: [Zen] Isolated: The Zo’é Tribe

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
Very good video Merle. No leaders, equal men and female rights and multi-spouse marriage, men marrying several women or women marrying several men (probably as a means of population control). The point is: our great morality connected with sex and exclusivity is just no more than making people

[Zen] fun

2013-08-26 Thread Merle Lester
mike...i see..so no deity and no painting legs on snakes...pray what do you do for fun?... merle   Thing is tho, a belief in a deity *is* the norm. And is also 'painting legs on a snake' because it just isn't needed. Also, not sure how believing in a god is fun. Each to their own, I

[Zen] Another huge non-sequitur

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Merle,br/br/Maybe you could explain how having a belief in an imaginary creator sky-god and painting imaginary legs on an imaginary snake is fun. Call me strange, but I considered it for about 3 seconds and the fun just wasn't happening. br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread uerusuboyo
Larry,br/br/I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people may choose to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of Buddhism that liberation and freedom are not found thru a belief in a god.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad

[Zen] SOURCE OF STRESS

2013-08-26 Thread SURESH JAGADEESAN
... Thinking of future and future problems might create anxiety and stress. However, that is not when the stress really originates. Stress starts the moment you move away from now into the thought world of past and future. In moving away from now, you move away from life, you move away from

Re: [Zen] Re: the human body

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
Totally fair to say. How can anyone 'free' his mind if he hangs onto preconceived ideas? On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ** Larry, I think it's fair to say that Buddhism respects the gods people may choose to believe in, but it remains a central tenet of

Re: [Zen] the painted snake

2013-08-26 Thread larry maher
Yes. Japanese Satori is wholly founded on the belief that words are nonsense to the gods. Logic, determination, will power, will do you little good. A huge desire to 'know' is all that is required. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Merle Lester merlewiit...@yahoo.comwrote: ** i bit of