Re: [Zen] Zen Is One.
Hey Frank, (and everyone) This 'one' business sounds like the idea of total cosmic oneness, which seems fairly pointless. Not that a bit of pointlessness can't be enjoyable, I just don't have a high tolerance for it myself. Zen is simple, but most people appear to have a need to make it complicated and filled with ritual. Is that need a 'bad' thing? Is clinging to the idea of 'one' negative? Each person's path is different, some paths appear widely different, others seem to be almost the same. I don't see 'Zen' as having a beginning or an end or a set course or series of dance steps. If the buddha rolls down a hill (the fat, happy buddha, not the skinny ones) has he lost his way or is his way rolling down the hillside? If the buddha were a chartered accountent, would his path be too mundane to be enlightened? If you follow the idea of 'one' isn't that your path, your personal way? I'd say, don't knock it, even if it doesn't work for you, because the way that works for you isn't anyone elses way. So I guess I disagree with you about some things. I think words are as real as anything else, they certainly can hurt, so don't give me the finger or the moon, please. I think I'll keep my duality and not go erasing it, never know when it might come in handy. The thing I like about feeling zen is that it relieves suffering, relives it better than aspirin, better than any over the counter or perscription pain reliever. While suffering is part of existence I don't like it, which is my path, fighting against suffering. I don't see that following the idea of 'one' creates suffering in anyone, so I'm all for it even if I don't follow it myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zen Is One, two, three ...
What Hindrances? There is nothing to abandon. Zen has already snuck, sneaked, snooked, in. No tickets needed. hehe. See, just from reading a couple of Zen books I can do the Zen rap as good as anyone. I'm outta here, master of you all. Gassho Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Hey
Hey There, I recently signed up on yahoo and started investigating the groups. I've found the zen teachings that I've read about strike a chord and resonate within me. From what I've read on this group so far (just a smattering because there is a lot to read) this seems like a good place to talk about zen and enjoy the discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hik1AB/bOaOAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] 7th Anniversary of the Zen Forum
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, donald hwong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning Bill, Zen is the One True and not Two. It is the enforcer, enabler of all menifestations of the universe. It is in the domain of energy. Dharma is thereby always transmitted and not taught or ceremonialized. Knowledge about Zen, Buddhism, Dao, JMJM, are in the domain of our mind through our seven consciousness. These two domains do not intersect. (And our flesh is sadly in a third domain, which we have not even touched upon.) I share as it is. No matter what I post, I can not make anyone to sync with the energy of Zen. Therefore I have not posted a single word worth anyone's effort to dive into it, disect, analyze, compare, agree or disagree. These are the activity for the domain of knowledge. May I add the following for the knowledge domain.. Osho said, Zen is the most beautiful thing. It is supreme mix of the essence of Dao and Buddhism. Dao Te Zin said, Any descriptive Dao is not the Dao. While the third patriarch said, The way is not hard, if we don't pick or choose. Allow me to repeat, all menifestions is due to Zen, whether we accept all or partial. Let us not be lost in the messages, but be in sync the carrier. Be Joyous, JMJM Hello Should I just jump in or was this directed toward just one person? I have found zen to be a slippery fish who is not easily caught. But who can say what can bring someone in synchronicity with the flow of things? A word, a thought, a thump on the head? Trying with all our might to catch zen may not work, but what a pleasure it is to enjoy the attempt. When we say that something is not zen, or not dao, aren't we picking and choosing, isn't that defining zen, trying to grip onto it by saying what it is not? Saying zen is not definitive, cannot be transmitted, is like saying zen cannot be the color orange or it cannot be the sound of chalk on a blackboard, or it cannot be a word like potato. Zen cannot be the taste of a cold apple on a hot day, it cannot be the feel of sand in the desert or the touch of mist near a waterfall. It cannot be the wings of a dragonfly half unseen as it flitters across a lawn or the breath we take for granted that keeps us alive. Zen simply cannot be, yet it is. Zen cannot be defined, yet it can. It cannot be under a rock, yet lifting a stone is a realization. Zen cannot be, yet it is music we all dance to, unrealized or with thought, or no-thought. There is a joy in finding, sometimes it is not a bad thing to be lost. Happy Anniversary, by the way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/mDk17A/lOaOAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
