Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-25 Thread Tristan Ball
] On Behalf Of thomas Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 5:23 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS... I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-25 Thread Tristan Ball
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Tristan Ball wrote: I've used 8K IO sizes for all the stage one tests - I know I might get it to go faster with a larger size, but I like to know how well systems will do when I treat them badly! The Stage_1_Ops_thru_run is interesting. 2000+

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Tristan Ball
] On Behalf Of thomas Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 5:23 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS... I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
, Tristan. -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of thomas Sent: Friday, 24 July 2009 5:23 AM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS... I think it is a great idea, assuming

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Tristan Ball wrote: I've used 8K IO sizes for all the stage one tests - I know I might get it to go faster with a larger size, but I like to know how well systems will do when I treat them badly! The Stage_1_Ops_thru_run is interesting. 2000+ ops/sec on random writes, 5000

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: This seems like rather low random write performance. My 12-drive array of rotating rust obtains 3708.89 ops/sec. In order to be effective, it seems that a synchronous write log should perform considerably better than the backing store.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
Ok, I re-tested my rotating rust with these iozone options (note that -o requests syncronous writes): iozone -t 6 -k 8 -i 0 -i 2 -O -r 8K -o -s 1G and obtained these results: Children see throughput for 6 random writers=5700.49 ops/sec Parent sees throughput for 6

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something happens you might be in a lot of trouble. Even without some unfortunate

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something happens you might be in a lot of trouble. Even without

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:28:38AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: In my case the slog slice wouldn't be the slog for the root pool, it would be the slog for a second data pool. I didn't think you could add a slog to the root pool anyway. Or has that changed in recent builds? I'm a little

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:28:38AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: In my case the slog slice wouldn't be the slog for the root pool, it would be the slog for a second data pool. I didn't think you could add a slog to the root pool anyway. Or has that

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Greg Mason
I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write) which is $699.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write)

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Adam Sherman
In the context of a low-volume file server, for a few users, is the low-end Intel SSD sufficient? A. -- Adam Sherman +1.613.797.6819 On 2009-07-23, at 14:09, Greg Mason gma...@msu.edu wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Adam Sherman wrote: In the context of a low-volume file server, for a few users, is the low-end Intel SSD sufficient? You're right, it supposedly has less than half the the write speed, and that probably won't matter for me, but I can't find a 64GB version of it for sale, and the 80GB

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread thomas
I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write) which is $699. Are

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Joseph L. Casale
I don't think this is limited to root pools. None of my pools (root or non-root) seem to have the write cache enabled. Now that I think about it, all my disks are hidden behind an LSI1078 controller so I'm not sure what sort of impact that would have on the situation. I have a few of those

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:24 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread F. Wessels
I didn't meant using slog for the root pool. I meant using the slog for a data pool. Where the data pool consists of (rotating) hard disk and complement them with a ssd based slog. But instead of a dedicated ssd for the slog I want the root pool share the ssd with the slog. Both can mirrored to

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-22 Thread t. johnson
I can't speak to whether it's a good idea or not, but I also wanted to do this and it was rather difficult. The problem is the opensolaris installer doesn't let you setup slices on a device to install to. The two ways I came up with were: 1) using the automated installer to do everything