Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: * when do the CDDL patent protections apply? to deals between Oracle and Netapp? or is it only protection against Oracle patents? I think the latter, but then, which Oracle patents? Suppose: The CDDL gives patent grants to all patents that relate

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: bf == Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us writes: bf Perhaps it is better for Linux if it is GPLv2, but probably bf not if it is GPLv3. That's my understanding: GPLv3 is the one you would need to preserve software freedom under deals

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: These reasons don't make CDDL incompatible with GPL. GPL is compatible with any license which is at least as permissive as itself. GPLv2 only requires that the recipient be able to receive all of the source code under terms which allow

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Garrett D'Amore [mailto:garr...@nexenta.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:47 AM We have ZFS version 28.  Whether we ever get another open source update of ZFS from *Oracle* is at this point doubtful.  However, I will point out that Forgive me for swinging the conversation back

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express snapshot was taken. Do you really see such an update? The last time I tried, the source was frozen on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Linder, Doug
Why do you want them to GPL ZFS? In what way would that save you annoyance? I actually think Doug was trying to say he wished Oracle would open the development and make the source code open-sourced, not necessarily GPL'd. Yes. I don't really care which specific license it is, as long as

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread C. Bergström
Linder, Doug wrote: Why do you want them to GPL ZFS? In what way would that save you annoyance? I actually think Doug was trying to say he wished Oracle would open the development and make the source code open-sourced, not necessarily GPL'd. Yes. I don't really care which

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Linder, Doug
feeding-trollsI'm very happy it's not in linux since linux is usually a low quality pile of crap cobbled together. If you're not writing the code to zfs or btrfs then you don't get a vote and just making noise on a public mailing list/feeing-trolls How about doing some work instead of just

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.com wrote: Why do you want them to GPL ZFS? In what way would that save you annoyance? I actually think Doug was trying to say he wished Oracle would open the development and make the source code open-sourced, not necessarily GPL'd. Yes. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread C. Bergström
The reason for not being able to use ZFS under Linux is not the license used by ZFS but the missing will for integration. Several lawyers explained already why adding ZFS to the Linux would just create a collective work that is permitted by the GPL. lalala.. http://zfsonlinux.org/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Linder, Doug
Joerg Schilling wrote: The reason for not being able to use ZFS under Linux is not the license used by ZFS but the missing will for integration. Several lawyers explained already why adding ZFS to the Linux would just create a collective work that is permitted by the GPL. Folks, I very

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Linder, Doug
lalala.. http://zfsonlinux.org/ Very nice. So why isn't it in Fedora (for example)? I'll believe it when I see it in a big Linux distribution, supported like any other FS, and I can use it in production. Until then, it doesn't exist. -- Learn more about Merchant Link at

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
C. Bergström codest...@osunix.org wrote: lalala.. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletubbies Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog:

[zfs-discuss] How to put solaris 11 into continous reboot

2010-12-16 Thread rachana
Hi, Can anybody tell me how to put my solaris-11 vm into continous reboot, i need to perform boot halt test. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] last thought before switching to ZFS

2010-12-16 Thread Tobias Lauridsen
Thx for the help -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Lanky Doodle
Hiya, I have been playing with ZFS for a few days now on a test PC, and I plan to use if for my home media server after being very impressed! I've got the basics of creating zpools and zfs filesystems with compression and dedup etc, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to handle security.

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to put solaris 11 into continous reboot

2010-12-16 Thread Angelo Rajadurai
Why not write an SMF service that reboots the system? Make it dependent on all the services that you need to start before the reboot. This would be equivalent to creating an rc-script. -Angelo On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:07 AM, rachana wrote: Hi, Can anybody tell me how to put my solaris-11

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Tim Cook
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.comwrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: The reason for not being able to use ZFS under Linux is not the license used by ZFS but the missing will for integration. Several lawyers explained already why adding ZFS to the Linux

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Linder, Doug
Tim Cook wrote: Claiming you'd start paying for Solaris if they gave you ZFS for free in Linux is absolutely ridiculous. *Start* paying? You clearly have NO idea what it costs to run Solaris in a production environment with support. For what we pay it seems like they should send us a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Anurag Agarwal
Hi, For any one interested in ZFS on linux, We have ported ZFS to linux, and will be providing support for it at reasonable cost. Check it out at zfs.kqinfotech.com. So let me know if any one is interested in it. Regards, Anurag. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Linder, Doug

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Also, at present I have 5x 1TB drives to use in my home server so I plan to create a RAID-Z1 pool which will have my shares on it (Movies, Music, Pictures etc). I then plan to increase this in sets of 5 (so another 5x 1TB drives in Jan and nother 5 in Feb/March so that I can avoid all disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Lanky Doodle lanky_doo...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been playing with ZFS for a few days now on a test PC, and I plan to use if for my home media server after being very impressed! Works great for that. Have a similar setup at home, using FreeBSD. Also, at

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Lanky, Other follow-up posters have given you good advice. I don't see where you are getting the idea that you can combine pools with pools. You can't do this and I don't see that the southbrain tutorial illustrates this either. All of his examples for creating redundant pools are

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks for the reply. In that case, wouldn't it be better to, as you say, start with a 6 drive Z2, then just keep adding drives until the case is full, for a single Z2 zpool? Or even Z3, if that's available now? I have an 11x 5.1/4 bay case, with 3x 5-in-3 hot swap caddies giving me 15 drive

[zfs-discuss] AHCI or IDE?

2010-12-16 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello All, I want to build a home file and media server now. After experiment with a Asus Board and running in unsolve problems I have bought this Supermicro Board X8SIA-F with Intel i3-560 and 8 GB Ram http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/3400/X8SIA.cfm?IPMI=Y also the LSI HBA

Re: [zfs-discuss] AHCI or IDE?

2010-12-16 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 08:43:02PM +0100, Alexander Lesle wrote: Hello All, I want to build a home file and media server now. After experiment with a Asus Board and running in unsolve problems I have bought this Supermicro Board X8SIA-F with Intel i3-560 and 8 GB Ram

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Miles Nordin
js == Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de delivered the following alternate reality of idealogical partisan hackery: js GPLv3 does not give you anything you don't have from CDDL js also. I think this is wrong. The patent indemnification is totally different:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Miles Nordin
ld == Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.com writes: ld Very nice. So why isn't it in Fedora (for example)? I think it's slow and unstable? To me it's not clear yet whether it will be the first thing in the Linux world that's stable and has zfs-like capability. If ZFS were GPL it

Re: [zfs-discuss] AHCI or IDE?

2010-12-16 Thread Alexander Lesle
Hello Pasi, thx for the quick answer. Its sounds fine because with the Asus Board and at Nexenta always I get a message that my rpool is degraded when I set AHCI. Additionally with the LSI HBA the board doesnt boot by set AHCI. am Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2010 um 20:53 hat Pasi Kärkkäinen u.a.

Re: [zfs-discuss] AHCI or IDE?

2010-12-16 Thread Deano
AHCI or IDE is at the device level not zfs level, as such it's a property of the OS layer. I suspect all OSs that zfs run on support AHCI directly (OpenSolaris do). Always use it instead of IDE emulation (which is what is happening what you select IDE in the firmware, it is purely for old OS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Miles Nordin
ld == Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.com writes: ld This list is for ZFS discussion. There are plenty of other ld places for License Wars and IP discussion. Did you miss the part where ZFS was forked by a license change? Did you miss Solaris Express 11 coming out with no

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:31 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express snapshot was taken. Do you really see such

Re: [zfs-discuss] Guide to COMSTAR iSCSI?

2010-12-16 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Chris, I have attempted to document the steps to restrict LUN access, here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/821-1459/gkgnr?l=ena=view Please see if this info helps. If it doesn't, let me know the errors. Thanks, Cindy On 12/13/10 16:30, Chris Mosetick wrote: I have found this post from

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Lanky Doodle In that case, wouldn't it be better to, as you say, start with a 6 drive Z2, then just keep adding drives until the case is full, for a single Z2 zpool? Doesn't work that way.

Re: [zfs-discuss] AHCI or IDE?

2010-12-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Lesle After reading the board manual I found at page 4-9 where I can set SATA#1 from IDE to AHCI. Can zfs handle AHCI for rpool? Can zfs handle AHCI for tank? Yes, and yes.