Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Frank Cusack wrote: > If you don't detach the smaller drive, the pool size won't increase.  Even > if the remaining smaller drive fails, that doesn't mean you have to detach > it.  So yes, the pool size might increase, but it won't be "unexpectedly". > It will be b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Frank Cusack
If you don't detach the smaller drive, the pool size won't increase. Even if the remaining smaller drive fails, that doesn't mean you have to detach it. So yes, the pool size might increase, but it won't be "unexpectedly". It will be because you detached all smaller drives. Also, even if a small

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Richard Elling
comments below… On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll wrote: > Dear List, > > I have a storage server running OpenIndiana with a number of storage > pools on it. All the pools' disks come off the same controller, and > all pools are backed by SSD-based l2arc and ZIL. Performance

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Gregg Wonderly
On 12/18/2011 4:23 PM, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll wrote: Hi, On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 22:14, Nathan Kroenert wrote: I know some others may already have pointed this out - but I can't see it and not say something... Do you realise that losing a single disk in that pool could pretty much render

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Gregg Wonderly
That's why I'm asking. I think it should always mirror the partition table and allocate exactly the same amount of space so that the pool doesn't suddenly change sizes unexpectedly and require a disk size that I don't have at hand, to put the mirror back up. Gregg On 12/18/2011 4:08 PM, Nath

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Dec-20 00:29:50 +1100, Jim Klimov wrote: >2011-12-19 16:58, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:18:05AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: >>> For those of us not familiar with how FreeBSD is installed and boots can >>> you explain how boot works (ie do you use GRUB at all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Andrew, Current releases that apply the bootblocks automatically during a zpool attach operation are Oracle Solaris 10 8/11 and Oracle Solaris 11. Thanks, Cindy On 12/19/11 10:03, Daugherity, Andrew W wrote: Does "current" include sol10u10 as well as sol11? If so, when did that go in? Wa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Daugherity, Andrew W
Does "current" include sol10u10 as well as sol11? If so, when did that go in? Was it in sol10u9? Thanks, Andrew From: Cindy Swearingen mailto:cindy.swearin...@oracle.com>> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool? Date: December 16, 2011 10:38:21 AM CST To: Tim Cook

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Pawel, In addition to the current SMI label requirement for booting, I believe another limitation is that the boot info must be contiguous. I think an RFE is filed to relax this requirement as well. I just can't find it right now. Thanks, Cindy On 12/18/11 04:52, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA hardware advice

2011-12-19 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Hung-Sheng Tsao (Lao Tsao 老曹) Ph.D. wrote: > AFAIK, most ZFS based storage appliance are move to SAS with 7200 rpm or 15k > rpm > most SSD are SATA and are connecting to on bd SATA with IO chips Most *cheap* SSDs are SATA. But if you want to use them in a cluster

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA hardware advice

2011-12-19 Thread Hung-Sheng Tsao (Lao Tsao 老曹) Ph.D.
AFAIK, most ZFS based storage appliance are move to SAS with 7200 rpm or 15k rpm most SSD are SATA and are connecting to on bd SATA with IO chips On 12/19/2011 9:59 AM, tono wrote: Thanks for the sugestions, especially all the HP info and build pictures. Two things crossed my mind on the hard

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA hardware advice

2011-12-19 Thread tono
Thanks for the sugestions, especially all the HP info and build pictures. Two things crossed my mind on the hardware front. The first is regarding the SSDs you have pictured, mounted in sleds. Any Proliant that I've read about connects the hotswap drives via a SAS backplane. So how did you avoid t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-12-19 16:58, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:18:05AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: For those of us not familiar with how FreeBSD is installed and boots can you explain how boot works (ie do you use GRUB at all and if so which version and where the early boot ZFS code i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Hung-Sheng Tsao (laoTsao)
not sure oi support shadow migration or you may be to send zpool to another server then send back to do defrag regards Sent from my iPad On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:15, Gary Mills wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:58:57AM +, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll wrote: >> >> 2011/12/19 Hung-Sheng Tsao (

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-12-19 2:53, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll пишет: On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 22:14, Nathan Kroenert wrote: Do you realise that losing a single disk in that pool could pretty much render the whole thing busted? Ah - didn't pick up on that one until someone here pointed it out - all my disks are m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Gary Mills
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:58:57AM +, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll wrote: > > 2011/12/19 Hung-Sheng Tsao (laoTsao) : > > did you run a scrub? > > Yes, as part of the previous drive failure. Nothing reported there. > > Now, interestingly - I deleted two of the oldest snapshots yesterday, > and g

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-12-19 2:00, Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: From http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide (or at least Google's cache of it, since it seems to be inaccessible now: " Keep pool space under 80% utilization to maintain pool performance. Currently, pool performance can d

Re: [zfs-discuss] very slow write performance on 151a

2011-12-19 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-12-15 22:44, milosz цкщеу: There are a few metaslab-related tunables that can be tweaked as well. - Bill For the sake of completeness, here are the relevant lines I have in /etc/system: ** * fix up metaslab min size (recent default ~10Mb seems b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:18:05AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > On 12/18/11 11:52, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:39:07PM -0700, Cindy Swearingen wrote: > >> Hi Anon, > >> > >> The disk that you attach to the root pool will need an SMI label > >> and a slice 0. > >> >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll
Hi, 2011/12/19 Hung-Sheng Tsao (laoTsao) : > what is the ram size? 32 GB > are there many snap? create then delete? Currently, there are 36 snapshots on the pool - it is part of a fairly normal backup regime of snapshots every 5 min, hour, day, week and month. > did you run a scrub? Yes, as p

Re: [zfs-discuss] Very poor pool performance - no zfs/controller errors?!

2011-12-19 Thread Hung-Sheng Tsao (laoTsao)
what is the ram size? are there many snap? create then delete? did you run a scrub? Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:46, Jan-Aage Frydenbø-Bruvoll wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 15:13, "Hung-Sheng Tsao (Lao Tsao 老曹) Ph.D." > wrote: >> what are the output of zpool status pool

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I create a mirror for a root rpool?

2011-12-19 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 12/18/11 11:52, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 04:39:07PM -0700, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Anon, The disk that you attach to the root pool will need an SMI label and a slice 0. The syntax to attach a disk to create a mirrored root pool is like this, for example: # zpoo