[zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-05 Thread Kyle McDonald
I know there's been much discussion on the list lately about getting HW arrays to use (or not use) their caches in a way that helps ZFS the most. Just yesterday I started seeing articles on NAND Flash Drives, and I know other Solid Stae Drive technologies have been around for a while and many

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Kyle, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 5:33:12 PM, you wrote: KM Remember though that it's been mathematically figured that the KM disadvantages to RaidZ start to show up after 9 or 10 drives. (That's Well, nothing like this was proved and definitely not

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal zpool layout?

2007-01-12 Thread Kyle McDonald
Patrick P Korsnick wrote: hi, i just set up snv_54 on an old p4 celeron system and even tho the processor is crap, it's got 3 7200RPM HDs: 1 80GB and 2 40GBs. so i'm wondering if there is an optimal way to lay out the ZFS pool(s) to make this old girl as fast as possible as it stands

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about self healing

2007-01-15 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: roland wrote: i have come across an interesting article at : http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2859p=5 Can anyone comment on the claims or conclusions of the article itself? It seems to me that they are not always clear about what they are talking about.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Kyle McDonald
Malachi de AElfweald wrote: 1) How do I at least mirror the root partition during install (instead of the convoluted after-the-fact instructions all over the net) Use Jumpstart. A profile to install your machine with mirroring should be pretty short, simple, and easy to create. It will be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-05 Thread Kyle McDonald
can you guess? wrote: Primarily its checksumming features, since other open source solutions support simple disk scrubbing (which given its ability to catch most deteriorating disk sectors before they become unreadable probably has a greater effect on reliability than checksums in any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-12-06 Thread Kyle McDonald
can you guess? wrote: There aren't free alternatives in linux or freebsd that do what zfs does, period. No one said that there were: the real issue is that there's not much reason to care, since the available solutions don't need to be *identical* to offer *comparable* value (i.e.,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dismounting ZFS

2007-12-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
David Dyer-Bennet wrote: I've used zfs unmount on the pool on my external disk, but while the filesystems are no longer visible, zpool still shows the pool as online. I suspect I shouldn't disconnect the external device at this point (or at least that it's not ideal). What else/other

Re: [zfs-discuss] removing a separate zil device

2008-01-07 Thread Kyle McDonald
Bill Moloney wrote: Taking it out does not impact the immediate function of the pool, but the inability to re-import it after this event is a significant issue. Has anyone found a workaround for this problem ? I have data in a pool that I cannot import because the separate zil is no longer

[zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Are there, or Does it make any sense to try to find a RAID card with battery backup that will ignore the ZFS commit commands when the battery is able to guarantee stable storage? I don't know if they do this, but I've recently had good non-ZFS performance with the IBM ServeRAID 8k raid that

[zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Are there, or Does it make any sense to try to find a RAID card with battery backup that will ignore the ZFS commit commands when the battery is able to guarantee stable storage? I don't know if they do this, but I've recently had good non-ZFS performance with the IBM ServeRAID 8k raid that

Re: [zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Albert Chin wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 12:47:37PM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: My primary use case, is NFS base storage to a farm of software build servers, and developer desktops. For the above environment, you'll probably see a noticable improvement with a battery-backed

Re: [zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Carson Gaspar wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: ... I know, but for a that card you need a driver to make it appear as a device. Plus it would take a PCI slot. I was hoping to make use of the battery backed ram on a RAID card that I already have (but can't use since I want to let ZFS do

Re: [zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Albert Chin wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 09:20:30PM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: Anyone know the answer to this? I'll be ordering 2 of the 7K's for my x346's this week. If niether A nor B will work I'm not sure there's any advantage to using the 7k card considering I want ZFS to do

Re: [zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
Erik Trimble wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: Albert Chin wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 09:20:30PM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: Anyone know the answer to this? I'll be ordering 2 of the 7K's for my x346's this week. If niether A nor B will work I'm not sure there's any advantage

Re: [zfs-discuss] LowEnd Batt. backed raid controllers that will deal with ZFS commit semantics correctly?

2008-01-25 Thread Kyle McDonald
Albert Chin wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:59:18AM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: ... With the 256MB doing write caching, is there any further benefit to moving thte ZIL to a flash or other fast NV storage? Do some tests with/without ZIL enabled. You should see a big difference

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration for a thumper

2008-01-30 Thread Kyle McDonald
Albert Shih wrote: What's kind of pool you use with 46 disk ? (46=2*23 and 23 is prime number that's mean I can make raidz with 6 or 7 or any number of disk). Depending on needs for space vs. performance, I'd probably pixk eithr 5*9 or 9*5, with 1 hot spare. -Kyle Regards. --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Gregory Perry wrote: Hello, I have a Dell 2950 with a Perc 5/i, two 300GB 15K SAS drives in a RAID0 array. I am considering going to ZFS and I would like to get some feedback about which situation would yield the highest performance: using the Perc 5/i to provide a hardware RAID0 that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Vincent Fox wrote: When Sun starts selling good SAS JBOD boxes equipped with appropriate redundancies and a flash-drive or 2 for the ZIL I will definitely go that route. For now I have a bunch of existing Sun HW RAID arrays so I make use of them mainly to make sure I can package LUNs and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-01-31 Thread Kyle McDonald
Vincent Fox wrote: So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. We've all spent the last decade or two offloading functions into specialized hardware, that has turned into these massive unneccessarily complex things. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
John-Paul Drawneek wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Fox wrote: | So the point is, a JBOD with a flash drive in one (or two to mirror the ZIL) of the slots would be a lot SIMPLER. I guess a USB pendrive would be slower than a harddisk. Bad performance for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware RAID vs. ZFS RAID

2008-02-07 Thread Kyle McDonald
Andy Lubel wrote: With my (COTS) LSI 1068 and 1078 based controllers I get consistently better performance when I export all disks as jbod (MegaCli - CfgEachDskRaid0). Is that really 'all disks as JBOD'? or is it 'each disk as a single drive RAID0'? It may not sound different on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris, ZFS and Hardware RAID, a recipe for success?

2008-02-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: Nick wrote: I have been tasked with putting together a storage solution for use in a virtualization setup, serving NFS, CIFS, and iSCSI, over GigE. I've inherited a few components to work with: x86 dual core server , 512MB LSI-ELP RAID card 12 x

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would such snapshots appear and where? (Again, I disliked the file;X notation and the fact that a manual purge was required). I agree about the ';x' However (and I don't know what the patents are in this area.) Something like what clearcase does (an invisible

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
Darren J Moffat wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would such snapshots appear and where? (Again, I disliked the file;X notation and the fact that a manual purge was required). I agree about the ';x' However (and I don't know what the patents are in this area

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:33:13AM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would such snapshots appear and where? (Again, I disliked the file;X notation and the fact

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:57:12PM -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: Make it an extended attribute called .zfs/snapshot/. Maybe I'm not up on how extended attributes work, but I don't see how that would let you review all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:31:09PM -0600, Chris Kirby wrote: Er, good question! I think the shells would have to support it. A good question for Roland :) The shells don't actually have to care: $ cd /tmp $ touch f1 $ runat f1 sh I know that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:43 -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: How was it MVFS could do this without any changes to the shells or any other programs? I ClearCase could 'grep FOO /dir1/dir2/file@@/main/*' to see which version of 'file' added FOO. (I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS be event-driven or not?

2008-02-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
Mark Shellenbaum wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 13:43 -0500, Kyle McDonald wrote: How was it MVFS could do this without any changes to the shells or any other programs? I ClearCase could 'grep FOO /dir1/dir2/file@@/main/*' to see which

[zfs-discuss] FiberChannel, and EMC tutorial?

2008-03-17 Thread Kyle McDonald
Hi all, Can anyone explain to me, or point me to any docs that explain how the following numbers map together? I have multiple LUNS exported to my HBA's from multiple EMC arrays. zpool status, and /dev/dsk show device names like: c0t600604838794003753594D333837d0 ONLINE 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disabling ZFS ACL

2008-03-19 Thread Kyle McDonald
Darren J Moffat wrote: Sachin Palav wrote: Hello Friends, Can some please let me know how I can disable ZFS ACL completely. I want to use ZFS with plain unix permission without ACL support I'm really curious as to why you want to do that but it seems that ZFS allows you to do so.

[zfs-discuss] Mount order of ZFS filesystems vs. other filesystems?

2008-03-26 Thread Kyle McDonald
I seem to be having a problem mounting the filesystems on my machine, and I suspect it's due to the order of processing of /etc/vfstab vs. ZFS mount properties. I have a UFS /export, then I have a ZFS that mounts on /export/OSImages. In that ZFS I have a couple of directories with many .ISO

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mount order of ZFS filesystems vs. other filesystems?

2008-03-27 Thread Kyle McDonald
Volker A. Brandt wrote: Hello Kyle! All of these mounts are failing at bootup with messages about non-existent mountpoints. My guess is that it's because when /etc/vfstab is running, the ZFS '/export/OSImages' isn't mounted yet? Yes, that is absolutely correct. For details, look

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs device busy

2008-03-30 Thread Kyle McDonald
Fred Oliver wrote: Marion Hakanson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am having trouble destroying a zfs file system (device busy) and fuser isn't telling me who has the file open: . . . This situation appears to occur every night during a system test. The only peculiar operation on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and disk usage management?

2008-05-07 Thread Kyle McDonald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume that ZFS quotas are enforced even if the current size and space free is not included in the user visible 'df'. Is that not true? Presumably applications get some unexpected error when the quota limit is hit since the client OS does not know the real

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Project Hardware

2008-05-25 Thread Kyle McDonald
Marc Bevand wrote: Overall, like you I am frustrated by the lack of non-RAID inexpensive native PCI-E SATA controllers. Why non-raid? Is it cost? Personally I'm interested in a high port count RAID card, with as much battery-backed cache RAM as possible, and that can export as many

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is a vdev?

2008-05-25 Thread Kyle McDonald
Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, so i make one vdev out of 8 discs. And I combine all vdevs into one large zpool? Is it correct? I have 8 port SATA card. I have 4 drives into one zpool. That is one vdev, right? Now I can add 4 new drives and make them into one zpool. And now I combine both zpool

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Project Hardware

2008-05-25 Thread Kyle McDonald
Marc Bevand wrote: Kyle McDonald KMcDonald at Egenera.COM writes: Marc Bevand wrote: Overall, like you I am frustrated by the lack of non-RAID inexpensive native PCI-E SATA controllers. Why non-raid? Is it cost? Primarily cost, reliability (less complex hw = less hw

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is a vdev?

2008-05-30 Thread Kyle McDonald
Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, that was a very good explanation. Thanx a lot! So, I have a 8 ports SATA card, and I have one ZFS raid with 4 discs, 500gb each. These 4 discs are one vdev, right? Yes you have a pool with 1 4 disk *RAIDZ* type vdev. And then I can add 4 more discs and create another

Re: [zfs-discuss] Filesystem for each home dir - 10,000 users?

2008-06-05 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard L. Hamilton wrote: Hi All, I'm new to ZFS but I'm intrigued by the possibilities it presents. I'm told one of the greatest benefits is that, instead of setting quotas, each user can have their own 'filesystem' under a single pool. This is obviously great if you've got 10 users

Re: [zfs-discuss] Growing root pool ?

2008-06-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
Wyllys Ingersoll wrote: I'm not even trying to stripe it across multiple disks, I just want to add another partition (from the same physical disk) to the root pool. Perhaps that is a distinction without a difference, but my goal is to grow my root pool, not stripe it across disks or enable

[zfs-discuss] Drivers for IBM ServeRAID 7k in Nevada?

2008-06-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
IBM's website says that Solaris 10u1 has them built in, Shouldn't that mean they are in sNV too? I'm booting off the network and off DVD, and just before the installer starts I get a message about 'no disks found.' Format does the same thing. What driver module should be used for the

[zfs-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [install-discuss] sNV b90 Interactive Install Hung up?]

2008-06-25 Thread Kyle McDonald
---BeginMessage--- Jürgen Keil wrote: Is there some way to get more insight into what is going on here? Thanks for the pointers. I've included the output below. I suspect this is something ZFS specific, since it doesn't hang when I choose UFS root. So if there are more ZFS specifc kmdb

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration for VMware

2008-06-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: Erik Trimble wrote: * 5.25 CDROM-form-factor RAM disk, as above CD-ROMs are dead. With the size of slim DVDs today, you wouldn't be able to put much space in them. The point here is a 5.25 half height device, that will fit in a drive bay that is

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs mount failed at boot stops network services.

2008-06-29 Thread Kyle McDonald
michael schuster wrote: Charles Soto wrote: On 6/27/08 8:55 AM, Mark J Musante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, wan_jm wrote: the procedure is follows: 1. mkdir /tank 2. touch /tank/a 3. zpool create tank c0d0p3 this command give the following error

Re: [zfs-discuss] [caiman-discuss] swap dump on ZFS volume

2008-07-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
David Magda wrote: Quite often swap and dump are the same device, at least in the installs that I've worked with, and I think the default for Solaris is that if dump is not explicitly specified it defaults to swap, yes? Is there any reason why they should be separate? I beleive

Re: [zfs-discuss] [caiman-discuss] swap dump on ZFS volume

2008-07-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
sanjay nadkarni (Laptop) wrote: Mike Gerdts wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:08 AM, David Magda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite often swap and dump are the same device, at least in the installs that I've worked with, and I think the default for Solaris is that if dump is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] /var/log as a single zfs filesystem -- problems at boot

2008-07-02 Thread Kyle McDonald
Dan McDonald wrote: I created a filesystem dedicated to /var/log so I could keep compression on the logs. Unfortunately, this caused problems at boot time because my log ZFS dataset couldn't be mounted because /var/log already contained bits. Some of that, to be fair, could be fixed by

Re: [zfs-discuss] Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009

2008-07-05 Thread Kyle McDonald
Ross wrote: Just re-read that and it's badly phrased. What I meant to say is that a raid-z / raid-5 array based on 500GB drives seems to have around a 1 in 10 chance of loosing some data during a full rebuild. Actually, I think it's been explained already why this is actually one

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
Tommaso Boccali wrote: .. And the answer was yes I hope. we are sriously thinking of buying 48 1 tb disk to replace those in a 1 year old thumper please confirm it again :) In my 15 year experience with Sun Products, I've never known one to care about drive brand, model, or firmware.

[zfs-discuss] Can't change owner of directories?

2008-07-18 Thread Kyle McDonald
Why can't I do this in a ZFS directory? (I was able to set the group with no problems.) # chown auser * chown: DIR1: cannot change owner [Invalid argument] chown: DIR2: cannot change owner [Invalid argument] Debugging info: # id -a uid=0(root) gid=0(root)

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2008-08-20 Thread Kyle McDonald
Mario Goebbels wrote: WOW! This is quite a departure from what we've been told for the past 2 years... This must be misinformation. The reason there's no project (yet) is very likely because pool shrinking depends strictly on the availability of bp_rewrite functionality, which is

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2008-08-20 Thread Kyle McDonald
John wrote: Our enterprise is about 300TB.. maybe a bit more... You are correct that most of the time we grow and not shrink... however, we are fairly dynamic and occasionally do shrink. DBA's have been known to be off on their space requirements/requests. For the record I agree with

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2008-08-20 Thread Kyle McDonald
Zlotnick Fred wrote: On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Kyle McDonald wrote: My suggestion still remains though. Log your enterprises wish for this feature through as many channels as you have into Sun. This list, Sales, Support, every way you can think of. Get it documented, so that when they go

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best layout for 15 disks?

2008-08-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
mike wrote: Sorry :) Okay, so you can create a zpool from multiple vdevs. But you cannot add more vdevs to a zpool once the zpool is created. Is that right? Nope. That's exactly what you *CAN* do. So say today you only really need 6TB usable, you could go buy 8 of your 1TB disks, and setup

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best layout for 15 disks?

2008-08-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
mike wrote: Or do smaller groupings of raidz1's (like 3 disks) so I can remove them and put 1.5TB disks in when they come out for instance? I wouldn't reduce it to 3 disks (should almost mirror if you go that low.) Remember, while you can't take a drive out of a vDev, or a vDev out of a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best layout for 15 disks?

2008-08-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
mike wrote: On 8/22/08, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ZFS boot works fine; it only recently integrated into Nevada, but it has been in use for quite some time now. Yeah I got the install option when I installed snv_94 but wound up not having enough disks to use it. You

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible to do a stripe vdev?

2008-08-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Chris Cosby wrote: About the best I can see: zpool create dirtypool raidz 250a 250b 320a raidz 320b 400a 400b raidz 500a 500b 750a And you have to do them in that order. The zpool will create using the smallest device. This gets you about 2140GB (500 + 640 + 1000) of space. Your desired

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pools 1+TB

2008-08-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
Daniel Rock wrote: Kenny schrieb: 2. c6t600A0B800049F93C030A48B3EA2Cd0 SUN-LCSM100_F-0670-931.01GB /scsi_vhci/[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. c6t600A0B800049F93C030D48B3EAB6d0 SUN-LCSM100_F-0670-931.01MB /scsi_vhci/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Disk 2: 931GB

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pools 1+TB

2008-08-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
Kenny wrote: How did you determine from the format output the GB vs MB amount?? Where do you compute 931 GB vs 932 MB from this?? 2. c6t600A0B800049F93C030A48B3EA2Cd0 /scsi_vhci/[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. c6t600A0B800049F93C030D48B3EAB6d0 /scsi_vhci/[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's in the part

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error: value too large for defined data type

2008-09-05 Thread Kyle McDonald
Paul Raines wrote: I am having a very odd problem on one of our ZFS filesystems On certain files, when accessed on the Solaris server itself locally where the zfs fs sits, we get an error like the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # ls -l ./README: Value too large for defined data type total 36

Re: [zfs-discuss] Greenbytes/Cypress

2008-09-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Eric Schrock wrote: See: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=73740tstart=0 I must apologize for anoying everyone. When Richard Elling posted the GreenBytes link without saying

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS dump and swap

2008-09-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
Darren J Moffat wrote: John Cecere wrote: The man page for dumpadm says this: A given ZFS volume cannot be configured for both the swap area and the dump device. And indeed when I try to use a zvol as both, I get: zvol cannot be used as a swap device and a dump device My question

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, NFS and Auto Mounting

2008-10-01 Thread Kyle McDonald
Douglas R. Jones wrote: 4) I change the auto.ws map thusly: Integration chekov:/mnt/zfs1/GroupWS/ Upgradeschekov:/mnt/zfs1/GroupWS/ cstools chekov:/mnt/zfs1/GroupWS/ com chekov:/mnt/zfs1/GroupWS This is standard NFS behavior (prior to NFSv4). Child

Re: [zfs-discuss] Custom Jumpstart and RAID-10 ZFS rpool

2008-10-29 Thread Kyle McDonald
Ian Collins wrote: Stephen Le wrote: Is it possible to create a custom Jumpstart profile to install Nevada on a RAID-10 rpool? No, simple mirrors only. Though a finish sscript could add additional simple mirrors to create the config his example would have created. Pretty sure

Re: [zfs-discuss] Custom Jumpstart and RAID-10 ZFS rpool

2008-10-29 Thread Kyle McDonald
kristof wrote: I don't think this is possible. I already tried to add extra vdevs after install, but I got an error message telling me that multiple vdevs for rpool are not allowed. K Oh. Ok. Good to know. I always put all my 'data' diskspace in a separate pool anyway to make

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs is a co-dependent parent and won't let children leave home

2008-12-09 Thread Kyle McDonald
Tim Haley wrote: Ross wrote: While it's good that this is at least possible, that looks horribly complicated to me. Does anybody know if there's any work being done on making it easy to remove obsolete boot environments? If the clones were promoted at the time of their

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS filesystem creation during JumpStart

2008-12-15 Thread Kyle McDonald
Brad Hudson wrote: Thanks for the response Peter. However, I'm not looking to create a different boot environment (bootenv). I'm actually looking for a way within JumpStart to separate out the ZFS filesystems from a new installation to have better control over quotas and reservations for

Re: [zfs-discuss] mount race condition?

2009-01-28 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 1/28/2009 12:16 PM, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:07:06AM -0800, Frank Cusack wrote: On January 28, 2009 9:41:20 AM -0600 Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Frank Cusack wrote: i was wondering if you have a zfs

[zfs-discuss] Should I report this as a bug?

2009-02-04 Thread Kyle McDonald
I jumpstarted my machine with sNV b106, and installed with ZFS root/boot. It left me at a shell prompt in the JumpStart environment, with my ZFS root on /a. I wanted to try out some things that I planned on scripting for the JumpStart to run, one of these waas creating a new ZFS pool from the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-09 Thread Kyle McDonald
Hi Dave, Having read through the whole thread, I think there are several things that could all be adding to your problems. At least some of which are not related to ZFS at all. You mentioned the ZFS docs not warning you about this, and yet I know the docs explictly tell you that: 1. While a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-09 Thread Kyle McDonald
D. Eckert wrote: too many words wasted, but not a single word, how to restore the data. I have read the man pages carefully. But again: there's nothing said, that on USB drives zfs umount pool is not allowed. It is allowed. But it's not enough. You need to read both the 'zpool ' and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/10/2009 2:50 PM, D. Eckert wrote: (..) Dave made a mistake pulling out the drives with out exporting them first. For sure also UFS/XFS/EXT4/.. doesn't like that kind of operations but only with ZFS you risk to loose ALL your data. that's the point! (...) I did that many times after

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/10/2009 2:54 PM, D. Eckert wrote: I disagree, see posting above. ZFS just accepts it 2 or 3 times. after that, your data are passed away to nirvana for no reason. And it should be legal, to have an external USB drive with a ZFS. with all respect, why should a user always care for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/10/2009 3:37 PM, D. Eckert wrote: (...) Possibly so. But if you had that ufs/reiserfs on a LVM or on a RAID0 spanning removable drives, you probably wouldn't have been so lucky. (...) we are not talking about a RAID 5 array or an LVM. We are talking about a single FS setup as a zpool over

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/10/2009 4:48 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik wrote: On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 09:49 +1300, Ian Collins wrote: These posts do sound like someone who is blaming their parents after breaking a new toy before reading the instructions. It looks like there's a serious denial of the fact that bad

Re: [zfs-discuss] where did my 400GB space go?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/11/2009 12:11 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: My understanding is that 1TB is the maximum bootable disk size since EFI boot is not supported. It is good that you were allowed to use the larger disk, even if its usable space is truncated. I don't dispute that, but I don't understand it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/11/2009 12:35 PM, Toby Thain wrote: On 11-Feb-09, at 11:19 AM, Tim wrote: ... And yes, I do keep checksums of all the data sitting on them and periodically check it. So, for all of your ranting and raving, the fact remains even a *crappy* filesystem like fat32 manages to handle a hot

Re: [zfs-discuss] where did my 400GB space go?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/11/2009 12:57 PM, Tomas Ögren wrote: On 11 February, 2009 - Kyle McDonald sent me these 1,2K bytes: On 2/11/2009 12:11 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: My understanding is that 1TB is the maximum bootable disk size since EFI boot is not supported. It is good that you were allowed

Re: [zfs-discuss] where did my 400GB space go?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/11/2009 1:03 PM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Since you can't mix EFI and FDisk partition tables, and you can't have more than one Solaris fdisk partition (that I'm aware of anyway) it looks like 1TB is all you can give Solaris at the moment. I should have qualified that with If you need

Re: [zfs-discuss] where did my 400GB space go?

2009-02-11 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/11/2009 1:50 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Solaris can now (as of b105) use extended partitions. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008120301/ That's interesting, but I'm not sure how it helps. It's my understanding that Solaris doesn't like it if more than one of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: unreliable for professional usage?

2009-02-13 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/13/2009 5:58 AM, Ross wrote: huh? but that looses the convenience of USB. I've used USB drives without problems at all, just remember to zpool export them before you unplug. I think there is a subcommand of cfgaadm you should run to to notify Solariss that you intend to unplug the

Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE for two-level ZFS

2009-02-20 Thread Kyle McDonald
On 2/20/2009 9:33 AM, Gary Mills wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 09:59:01AM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: Gary Mills wrote: Should I file an RFE for this addition to ZFS? The concept would be to run ZFS on a file server, exporting storage to an application server where ZFS also runs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Much room for improvement for zfs destroy -r ...

2009-04-17 Thread Kyle McDonald
Joep Vesseur wrote: All, I was wondering why zfs destroy -r is so excruciatingly slow compared to parallel destroys. SNIP while a little handy-work with # time for i in `zfs list | awk '/blub2\\// {print $1}'` ;\ do ( zfs destroy $i ) ; done yields real0m8.191s

Re: [zfs-discuss] compression at zfs filesystem creation

2009-06-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Thommy M. wrote: In most cases compression is not desireable. It consumes CPU and results in uneven system performance. IIRC there was a blog about I/O performance with ZFS stating that it was faster with compression ON as it didn't have to wait

Re: [zfs-discuss] compression at zfs filesystem creation

2009-06-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Darren J Moffat wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Thommy M. wrote: In most cases compression is not desireable. It consumes CPU and results in uneven system performance. IIRC there was a blog about I/O performance with ZFS stating that it was faster

[zfs-discuss] ZFS attributes for CIFS.

2009-06-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
Hi all, I'm setting up a new fileserver, and while I'm not planning on enabling CIFS right away, I know I will in the future. I know there are several ZFS properties or attributes that affect how CIFS behaves. I seem to recall that at least one of those needs to be set early (like when the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Erik Ableson wrote: Just a side note on the PERC labelled cards: they don't have a JBOD mode so you _have_ to use hardware RAID. This may or may not be an issue in your configuration but it does mean that moving disks between controllers is no longer possible. The only way to do a pseudo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Motherboard for home zfs/solaris file server

2009-07-21 Thread Kyle McDonald
chris wrote: Thanks for your reply. What if I wrap the ram in a sheet of lead?;-) (hopefully the lead itself won't be radioactive) I've been looking at the same thing recently. I found these 4 AM3 motherboard with optional ECC memory support. I don't know whether this means ECC works,

[zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-22 Thread Kyle McDonald
I've started reading up on this, and I know I have alot more reading to do, but I've already got some questions... :) I'm not sure yet that it will help for my purposes, but I was considering buying 2 SSD's for mirrored boot devices anyway. My main question is: Can a pair of say 60GB SSD's

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson. But in the mean time, IF something happens you might be in a lot of trouble. Even without

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:28:38AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: In my case the slog slice wouldn't be the slog for the root pool, it would be the slog for a second data pool. I didn't think you could add a slog to the root pool anyway. Or has

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't resolved. A solution is under it's way, according to George Wilson

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work still isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote: F. Wessels wrote: Thanks posting this solution. But I would like to point out that bug 6574286 removing a slog doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Greg Mason wrote: I think it is a great idea, assuming the SSD has good write performance. This one claims up to 230MB/s read and 180MB/s write and it's only $196. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609393 Compared to this one (250MB/s read and 170MB/s write)

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Adam Sherman wrote: In the context of a low-volume file server, for a few users, is the low-end Intel SSD sufficient? You're right, it supposedly has less than half the the write speed, and that probably won't matter for me, but I can't find a 64GB version of it for sale, and the 80GB

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD's and ZFS...

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
Tristan Ball wrote: It just so happens I have one of the 128G and two of the 32G versions in my drawer, waiting to go into our DR disk array when it arrives. Hi Tristan, Just so I can be clear, What model/brand are the drives you were testing? -Kyle I dropped the 128G into a spare

Re: [zfs-discuss] The importance of ECC RAM for ZFS

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle McDonald
Michael McCandless wrote: I've read in numerous threads that it's important to use ECC RAM in a ZFS file server. My question is: is there any technical reason, in ZFS's design, that makes it particularly important for ZFS to require ECC RAM? I think, basically the idea is, that if you're

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