Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Did you have to do anything else to get the demo working on ESX 3.5? I've imported it, and disabled two NIC's, and while it picks up an IP address the setup process won't complete, it complains that Network port NET-0 is down: check physical cabling and switch. PS. Adam, if it is possible to get this image working under ESX and VirtualBox, it would be good if Sun could publish instructions for running it under those systems. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:26:46AM -0800, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Brent Jones wrote: Wish I could get my hands on a beta of this GUI... Take a look at the VMware version that you can run on any machine: http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storag e /resources.jsp So long as any machine != ESX, then yes. ;) -brian Actually, it works pretty well on ESX 3.5 U3 for me. I just had to import the VM as an Other type VM using VMware Converter Enterprise, the same way you would for VMware Server VMs or whatever. For some reason I had to remove two of the network interfaces, also, but after that it fired right up. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. Adam, if it is possible to get this image working under ESX and VirtualBox, it would be good if Sun could publish instructions for running it under those systems. Or instructions on how to dd the boot disk bits to the boot disk on ones thumper? :) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Scott Williamson wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. Adam, if it is possible to get this image working under ESX and VirtualBox, it would be good if Sun could publish instructions for running it under those systems. I've tried to set this up under VirtualBox but I can't get it to boot. I believe the issue is that VirtualBox doesn't understand the multi-file format VMDK files that are used for the boot disk (Sun Storage VMware*.vmdk). I believe from googling that this could be fixed if you have access to VMware server by combining them back into a single vmdk file - I don't have easy access to Vmware server so I can't try this. -- Darren J Moffat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On 13 nov 2008, at 15.15, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the issue is that VirtualBox doesn't understand the multi- file format VMDK files that are used for the boot disk (Sun Storage VMware*.vmdk). I believe from googling that this could be fixed if you have access to VMware server by combining them back into a single vmdk file - I don't have easy access to Vmware server so I can't try this. -- It's even possible to transfer the image to bare metal, the same procedure must be usable to move the image to other virtualization software, once bootet it's only ordinary block devices... Regards Henrik Johansson http://sparcv9.blogspot.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: Just to throw some ice-cold water on this: 1. It's highly unlikely that we will ever support the x4500 -- only the x4540 is a real possibility. And to warm things up a bit: there's already an upgrade path from the x4500 to the x4540 so that would be required before any upgrade to the equivalent of the Sun Storage 7210. Why exactly will this not run on an x4500? The idea behind buying them was ZFS would run on any x86 hardware and the x4500 would run more than just Solaris. This flexibility is important. I can certainly understand wanting to have full control of hardware to software for an integrated NAS device, but this looks like a nice management application built on top of OpenSolaris and other open source software. What hardware is required to upgrade the x4500 to the same functionality? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Do you have any info on this upgrade path? I can't seem to find anything about this... I would also like to throw in my $0.02 worth that I would like to see the software offered to existing sun X4540 (or upgraded X4500) customers. Chris G. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Greer Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:20 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI Do you have any info on this upgrade path? I can't seem to find anything about this... I would also like to throw in my $0.02 worth that I would like to see the software offered to existing sun X4540 (or upgraded X4500) customers. Chris G. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss -- I too would like to see how this happens, checked with some Sun people and they didn't know of a way to upgrade a 4500 other than trading it in. Im assuming the Motherboard/CPU/Memory get swapped out, and from the chasis layout, looks fairly involved. We don't want to upgrade something that we just bought so we can take advantage of this software which appears to finally complete the Sun NAS picture with zfs! -Andy ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
The word Module makes it sound really easy :) Has anyone ever swapped this module out, and if so - was it painful? Since our 4500's went from the pallet to the offsite datacenter I never did really get a chance to look closely at it. I found a picture of one and it looks like you could take out the whole guts in one tray (from the bottom rear?). -Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:57 PM To: Andy Lubel; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI I was hoping for a swap out of the system board module. Chris G. - Original Message - From: Andy Lubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Greer; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Wed Nov 12 14:38:03 2008 Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Greer Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:20 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI Do you have any info on this upgrade path? I can't seem to find anything about this... I would also like to throw in my $0.02 worth that I would like to see the software offered to existing sun X4540 (or upgraded X4500) customers. Chris G. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss -- I too would like to see how this happens, checked with some Sun people and they didn't know of a way to upgrade a 4500 other than trading it in. Im assuming the Motherboard/CPU/Memory get swapped out, and from the chasis layout, looks fairly involved. We don't want to upgrade something that we just bought so we can take advantage of this software which appears to finally complete the Sun NAS picture with zfs! -Andy ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
There is no inbox/field upgrade available for the x4500 - x4540. The upgrades mentioned are in the form of discounted box swaps. Sorry about that. It would be nice though. Original Message Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI From: Andy Lubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED], zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Wed Nov 12 13:18:15 2008 The word Module makes it sound really easy :) Has anyone ever swapped this module out, and if so - was it painful? Since our 4500's went from the pallet to the offsite datacenter I never did really get a chance to look closely at it. I found a picture of one and it looks like you could take out the whole guts in one tray (from the bottom rear?). -Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:57 PM To: Andy Lubel; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI I was hoping for a swap out of the system board module. Chris G. - Original Message - From: Andy Lubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris Greer; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Wed Nov 12 14:38:03 2008 Subject: RE: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Greer Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:20 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI Do you have any info on this upgrade path? I can't seem to find anything about this... I would also like to throw in my $0.02 worth that I would like to see the software offered to existing sun X4540 (or upgraded X4500) customers. Chris G. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Afaik, the drives are pretty much the same, its the chipset that changed, which also meant a change of cpu and memory. -Andy From: Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:24 PM To: Andy Lubel Cc: Chris Greer; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Andy Lubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too would like to see how this happens, checked with some Sun people and they didn't know of a way to upgrade a 4500 other than trading it in. Im assuming the Motherboard/CPU/Memory get swapped out, and from the chasis layout, looks fairly involved. We don't want to upgrade something that we just bought so we can take advantage of this software which appears to finally complete the Sun NAS picture with zfs! -Andy Couldn't you just swap out the hard drives? --Tim ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: Just to throw some ice-cold water on this: 1. It's highly unlikely that we will ever support the x4500 -- only the x4540 is a real possibility. And to warm things up a bit: there's already an upgrade path from the x4500 to the x4540 so that would be required before any upgrade to the equivalent of the Sun Storage 7210. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Fishworkshttp://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 09:31:26AM -0800, Adam Leventhal wrote: Is this software available for people who already have thumpers? We're considering offering an upgrade path for people with existing thumpers. Given the feedback we've been hearing, it seems very likely that we will. No word yet on pricing or availability. Just to throw some ice-cold water on this: 1. It's highly unlikely that we will ever support the x4500 -- only the x4540 is a real possibility. 2. If we do make something available, your data and any custom software won't survive the journey: you will be forced to fresh-install your x4540 with our stack. 3. If we do make something available, it will become an appliance: you will permanently lose the ability to run your own apps on the x4540. 4. If we do make something available, it won't be free. If you are willing/prepared(/eager?) to abide by these constraints, please let us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) know -- that will help us build the business case for doing this... - Bryan -- Bryan Cantrill, Sun Microsystems Fishworks. http://blogs.sun.com/bmc ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: Just to throw some ice-cold water on this: 1. It's highly unlikely that we will ever support the x4500 -- only the x4540 is a real possibility. And to warm things up a bit: there's already an upgrade path from the x4500 to the x4540 so that would be required before any upgrade to the equivalent of the Sun Storage 7210. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Fishworkshttp://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss We just ordered several X4540's, excited to get them in place soon. Having the Openstorage GUI as an option down the road is very appealing for our VM/hosted side, after we install this bulk storage environment. Wish I could get my hands on a beta of this GUI... -- Brent Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Can someone clarify Sun's approach to opensourcing projects and software? I was under the impression the strategy was to charge for hardware, maintenance and PS. If not, some clarification would be nice. On Nov 11, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Bryan Cantrill wrote: 4. If we do make something available, it won't be free. If you are willing/prepared(/eager?) to abide by these constraints, please let us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) know -- that will help us build the business case for doing this... - Bryan ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Brent Jones wrote: Wish I could get my hands on a beta of this GUI... Take a look at the VMware version that you can run on any machine: http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/resources.jsp Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Fishworkshttp://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 02:21:11PM -0500, Ed Saipetch wrote: Can someone clarify Sun's approach to opensourcing projects and software? I was under the impression the strategy was to charge for hardware, maintenance and PS. If not, some clarification would be nice. There is no single answer -- we use open source as a business strategy, not as a checkbox or edict. For this product, open source is an option going down the road, but not a priority. Will our software be open sourced in the fullness of time? My Magic 8-Ball tells me signs point to yes (or is that ask again later?) -- but it's certainly not something that we have concrete plans for at the moment... - Bryan -- Bryan Cantrill, Sun Microsystems Fishworks. http://blogs.sun.com/bmc ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Is this software available for people who already have thumpers? We're considering offering an upgrade path for people with existing thumpers. Given the feedback we've been hearing, it seems very likely that we will. No word yet on pricing or availability. Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Fishworkshttp://blogs.sun.com/ahl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:26:46AM -0800, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Brent Jones wrote: Wish I could get my hands on a beta of this GUI... Take a look at the VMware version that you can run on any machine: http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/resources.jsp So long as any machine != ESX, then yes. ;) -brian -- Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix. -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Hi, Is this softwarehttp://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage/features.jspavailable for people who already have thumpers? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 02:21:11PM -0500, Ed Saipetch wrote: Can someone clarify Sun's approach to opensourcing projects and software? I was under the impression the strategy was to charge for hardware, maintenance and PS. If not, some clarification would be nice. There is no single answer -- we use open source as a business strategy, not as a checkbox or edict. For this product, open source is an option going down the road, but not a priority. Will our software be open sourced in the fullness of time? My Magic 8-Ball tells me signs point to yes (or is that ask again later?) -- but it's certainly not something that we have concrete plans for at the moment... I think that's fair enough. What Sun choose to do is, of course, up to Sun. One can, however, understand that people might have expected otherwise given statements like this: With our announced intent to open source the entirety of our software offerings, every single developer across the world now has access to the most sophisticated platform available for web 1.0, 2.0 and beyond - Jonathan Schwartz http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051130.1.xml -- Boyd ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
Boyd, That's exactly what I was getting at. This list probably isn't the place to discuss but this is the first real instance aside of maybe xVM Ops Center where it was pretty much put out in the open that you can expect to pay to get the goods. Fishworks seems to have much more than just a nice wrapper put around Solaris, ZFS, NFS, FMA, AVS etc. A lot of my ability to evangelize the benefits of Solaris in the storage world to my customers hinges on me being able to say Try it... you'll like it I know Try-and- buy exists but in the grand scheme of things, adoption of Solaris hinges on easy accessibility. I apologize for the tangent and the VM instance is a good start but the stance on opensourcing right or wrong seems like it has changed. On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Boyd Adamson wrote: Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 02:21:11PM -0500, Ed Saipetch wrote: Can someone clarify Sun's approach to opensourcing projects and software? I was under the impression the strategy was to charge for hardware, maintenance and PS. If not, some clarification would be nice. There is no single answer -- we use open source as a business strategy, not as a checkbox or edict. For this product, open source is an option going down the road, but not a priority. Will our software be open sourced in the fullness of time? My Magic 8-Ball tells me signs point to yes (or is that ask again later?) -- but it's certainly not something that we have concrete plans for at the moment... I think that's fair enough. What Sun choose to do is, of course, up to Sun. One can, however, understand that people might have expected otherwise given statements like this: With our announced intent to open source the entirety of our software offerings, every single developer across the world now has access to the most sophisticated platform available for web 1.0, 2.0 and beyond - Jonathan Schwartz http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051130.1.xml -- Boyd ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenStorage GUI
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:26:46AM -0800, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Brent Jones wrote: Wish I could get my hands on a beta of this GUI... Take a look at the VMware version that you can run on any machine: http://www.sun.com/storage/disk_systems/unified_storage /resources.jsp So long as any machine != ESX, then yes. ;) -brian Actually, it works pretty well on ESX 3.5 U3 for me. I just had to import the VM as an Other type VM using VMware Converter Enterprise, the same way you would for VMware Server VMs or whatever. For some reason I had to remove two of the network interfaces, also, but after that it fired right up. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
