Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Ian Collins
Tim wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Will Murnane wrote: > > If the prices on disks were lower on these, they would be > interesting > > for low-end businesses or even high-end home users. The chassis

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Tim wrote: > 20k list gets you into a decked out storevault with FCP/iSCSI/NFS... For > being "just a jbod" this thing is ridiculously overpriced, sorry. > > I'm normally the first one to defend Sun when it come to decisions made due > to an enterprise customer base, but this

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Tim
20k list gets you into a decked out storevault with FCP/iSCSI/NFS... For being "just a jbod" this thing is ridiculously overpriced, sorry. I'm normally the first one to defend Sun when it come to decisions made due to an enterprise customer base, but this will not be one of those situations. On

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread David Schairer
The admin user doesn't have any access to customer data; just could kill off sessions, etc. --- World-class email, DNS, web- and app-hosting services, www.concentric.com . On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Ian Collins wrote: > Will Murnane wrote: >> If the prices on disks were lower on these, t

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Ian Collins
Will Murnane wrote: > If the prices on disks were lower on these, they would be interesting > for low-end businesses or even high-end home users. The chassis is > within reach of reasonable, but the disk prices look ludicrously high > from where I sit. An empty one only costs $3k, sure, but fill

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Miles Nordin
> "bf" == Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: bf> since the dawn of time since the dawn of time Sun has been playing these games with hard drive ``sleds''. I still have sparc32 stuff on the shelf with missing/extra sleds. bf> POTS line bf> cell phone bf> You are free

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-11 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Ross wrote: > Yes, but pricing that's so obviously disconnected with cost leads > customers to feel they're being ripped off. It has been common since the dawn of time for there to often be little relationship between cost and price. An excellent example of this is the lo

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
Yes, but pricing that's so obviously disconnected with cost leads customers to feel they're being ripped off. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listin

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Richard Elling
Will Murnane wrote: > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Drive carriers are a different ballgame. AFAIK, there is no >> industry standard carrier that meets our needs. We require >> service LEDs for many of our modern disk carriers, so there >> is a l

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Peter Tribble
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Kyle McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my 15 year experience with Sun Products, I've never known one to care > about drive brand, model, or firmware. If it was standards compliant for > both physical interface, and protocol the machine would use it in my > ex

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Will Murnane
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:14, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Drive carriers are a different ballgame. AFAIK, there is no > industry standard carrier that meets our needs. We require > service LEDs for many of our modern disk carriers, so there > is a little bit of extra electronics

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Richard Elling
Kyle McDonald wrote: > Tommaso Boccali wrote: > >> .. And the answer was yes I hope. we are sriously thinking of buying >> 48 1 tb disk to replace those in a 1 year old thumper >> >> please confirm it again :) >> >> >> > In my 15 year experience with Sun Products, I've never known on

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
Yup, worked fine. We removed a 500GB disk and replaced it with a 1TB one, didn't even need any downtime (although you have to be quick with the screwdriver). I spoke to the x64 line product manager last year and they confirmed that Sun plan to support 2TB drives, and probably even 4TB drives a

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
Tommaso Boccali wrote: > .. And the answer was yes I hope. we are sriously thinking of buying > 48 1 tb disk to replace those in a 1 year old thumper > > please confirm it again :) > > In my 15 year experience with Sun Products, I've never known one to care about drive brand, model, or firm

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Tommaso Boccali
.. And the answer was yes I hope. we are sriously thinking of buying 48 1 tb disk to replace those in a 1 year old thumper please confirm it again :) 2008/7/10, Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Heh, I like the way you think Tim. I'm sure Sun hate people like us. The > first thing I tested when I

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
Heh, I like the way you think Tim. I'm sure Sun hate people like us. The first thing I tested when I had an x4500 on trial was to make sure an off the shelf 1TB disk worked in it :) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-09 Thread Tim
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Chad Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the announcement for those new Sun JBOD devices mentioned the > other day. > > http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-07/sunflash.20080709.1.xml > > ckl > > ___ > zfs-discuss mai

Re: [zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-09 Thread Tim
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Chad Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the announcement for those new Sun JBOD devices mentioned the > other day. > > http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-07/sunflash.20080709.1.xml > > ckl > > ___ > zfs-discuss mai

[zfs-discuss] previously mentioned J4000 released

2008-07-09 Thread Chad Lewis
Here's the announcement for those new Sun JBOD devices mentioned the other day. http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-07/sunflash.20080709.1.xml ckl ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/z