Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 08:12:48AM +1000, Alan Hargreaves wrote: > There is a ZFS Community on the Oracle Communities that was just kicked > off this month - > https://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_zfs_file_system/526 Ohh, another censored forum/crappy thing - no thanx! Regards, jel. -- Otto-von-Guericke University http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/ Department of Computer Science Geb. 29 R 027, Universitaetsplatz 2 39106 Magdeburg, Germany Tel: +49 391 67 12768 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
On 6/11/12 3:12 PM, Alan Hargreaves wrote: There is a ZFS Community on the Oracle Communities that was just kicked off this month - https://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_zfs_file_system/526 Thanks for the heads up, but it's just another horrid Oracle web UI with next to no functionality. Given that, I doubt it will have much participation. But I've been wrong before (I certainly won't be logging into Oracle's support portal every day to see what's new, that's for sure - email, RSS, ATOM, NNTP, _something_ other than polling manually in a browser...) (I'm amazed that a company that touts its server and database performance thinks it's fine and dandy PR to have customer logins take >20 seconds... nice to see that hasn't changed since the Sun days) -- Carson ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
You're describing primarily client differences, not server/service differences. Some people have been using the same tools for mail and for news for years, with the same benefits to each. Right now I'm posting through GMane's NNTP interface, only to show that you can. nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.zfs . Normally I read it as a list (using mutt), because there I get the entire thread, and it's downloaded in full, whether I'm lurking or posting answers, and they're saved in a separate folder separate from my inbox, separate from my true-email stuff. And I don't have to use trn4! Gak, that was a horrible waste of trn3. On 6/11/12 4:55 PM, David Combs wrote: Advantages to true newsgroup? THREADS! If you wait until a thread is finished, you can then see the entire thread, and if you want, you can download the whole thing, or just parts thereof. Great for learning, if you're mostly a lurker, not posting answers. That's vastly simpler than getting a thousand emails, saving them all in a file, and then having to sort them by subject-line (modified so "RE:", etc are ignored in sort key), to get them grouped by zfs-topic. What a pain. When via a powerful newsreader (I use trn4), all of that is done for you automatically. Furthermore, at least one newsreader, trn4, via its "t" (tree) command, will draw a tree (rooted at the right side of the page, but the text oriented so you can read right-side-up, without turning your head sideways) so you can pursue topics, can see how they lay out, or better yet, delete, say, flame subthreads (surely not a problem with zfs-discuss). Besides that, you don't have posts hitting your regular email list, diluting the urgent stuff you really do have to respond to, making it easier to miss that stuff. Lets you keep newsgroup-TYPE stuff (eg zfs-discuss email) separate from true-email stuff. -- QUESTION: how much effort (for someone who already knows how, has done it before) to create a newsgroup that mirrors a listserv? Once done, all anyone has to do is request from his friendly isp (mine is panix.com, *very* friendly) to support that new newsgroup. Name it something like comp.unix.solaris.zfs. Or just have it all go to comp.unix.solaris, which of course already exists. Anyway, I hope I've answered your question. Cheers! David -Original Message- From: James C. McPherson [mailto:j...@opensolaris.org] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:55 PM To: David Combs Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? On 12/06/12 06:40 AM, David Combs wrote: Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? Actually, no. Where's the value in having a newsgroup as well as a mailing list? James C. McPherson -- Oracle http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5062 - Release Date: 06/11/12 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
Title: signature There is a ZFS Community on the Oracle Communities that was just kicked off this month - https://communities.oracle.com/portal/server.pt/community/oracle_solaris_zfs_file_system/526 Regards, Alan Hargreaves On 06/12/12 08:05, Tomas Forsman wrote: On 11 June, 2012 - David Combs sent me these 2,4K bytes: Advantages to true newsgroup? THREADS! If you wait until a thread is finished, you can then see the entire thread, and if you want, you can download the whole thing, or just parts thereof. Great for learning, if you're mostly a lurker, not posting answers. That's vastly simpler than getting a thousand emails, saving them all in a file, and then having to sort them by subject-line (modified so "RE:", etc are ignored in sort key), to get them grouped by zfs-topic. What a pain. .. or use a mail reader that doesn't suck. When via a powerful newsreader (I use trn4), all of that is done for you automatically. mutt is probably pretty close. Furthermore, at least one newsreader, trn4, via its "t" (tree) command, will draw a tree (rooted at the right side of the page, but the text oriented so you can read right-side-up, without turning your head sideways) so you can pursue topics, can see how they lay out, or better yet, delete, say, flame subthreads (surely not a problem with zfs-discuss). Besides that, you don't have posts hitting your regular email list, diluting the urgent stuff you really do have to respond to, making it easier to miss that stuff. Lets you keep newsgroup-TYPE stuff (eg zfs-discuss email) separate from true-email stuff. It's called "mail filtering". -- QUESTION: how much effort (for someone who already knows how, has done it before) to create a newsgroup that mirrors a listserv? Once done, all anyone has to do is request from his friendly isp (mine is panix.com, *very* friendly) to support that new newsgroup. Name it something like comp.unix.solaris.zfs. Or just have it all go to comp.unix.solaris, which of course already exists. Anyway, I hope I've answered your question. Cheers! David -Original Message- From: James C. McPherson [mailto:j...@opensolaris.org] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:55 PM To: David Combs Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? On 12/06/12 06:40 AM, David Combs wrote: Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? Actually, no. Where's the value in having a newsgroup as well as a mailing list? James C. McPherson -- Oracle http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog - No virus found in this message. Good to know, I better trust this info - just like spam that says it's not spam :P Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5062 - Release Date: 06/11/12 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss /Tomas -- Hardware and Software, Engineered to Work Together Alan Hargreaves | Senior Principal Technical Support Engineer | Principal Field Technologist Solaris and Networking | Global Systems Support Email: alan.hargrea...@oracle.com Blog: alanhargreaves.wordpress.com Phone: +61-2-9491-2342 | Mobile: +61-416-207-573 Oracle Global Customer Services Log, update, and monitor your Service Request online using My Oracle Support This message is cryptographically signed. Any modern mail reader should be able to verify that the message has been delivered unaltered since I sent it. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
In message <008c01cd4812$7399c180$5acd4480$@net>, David Combs writes: >Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? Did you try Gmane's interface? http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jo43q0%24no50%241%40tr22n12.aset.psu.edu> John groenv...@acm.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Tomas Forsman wrote: > .. or use a mail reader that doesn't suck. Or the mailman thread view. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
On 11 June, 2012 - David Combs sent me these 2,4K bytes:
> Advantages to true newsgroup?
>
> THREADS! If you wait until a thread is finished, you can then see the entire
> thread, and if you want, you can download the whole thing, or just parts
> thereof.
>
> Great for learning, if you're mostly a lurker, not posting answers.
>
> That's vastly simpler than getting a thousand emails, saving them all in a
> file, and then having to sort them by subject-line (modified so "RE:", etc
> are ignored in sort key), to get them grouped by zfs-topic. What a pain.
.. or use a mail reader that doesn't suck.
> When via a powerful newsreader (I use trn4), all of that is done for you
> automatically.
mutt is probably pretty close.
> Furthermore, at least one newsreader, trn4, via its "t" (tree) command, will
> draw a tree (rooted at the right side of the page, but the text oriented so
> you can read right-side-up, without turning your head sideways) so you can
> pursue topics, can see how they lay out, or better yet, delete, say, flame
> subthreads (surely not a problem with zfs-discuss).
>
> Besides that, you don't have posts hitting your regular email list, diluting
> the urgent stuff you really do have to respond to, making it easier to miss
> that stuff.
>
> Lets you keep newsgroup-TYPE stuff (eg zfs-discuss email) separate from
> true-email stuff.
It's called "mail filtering".
> --
>
> QUESTION: how much effort (for someone who already knows how, has done it
> before) to create a newsgroup that mirrors a listserv?
>
> Once done, all anyone has to do is request from his friendly isp (mine is
> panix.com, *very* friendly) to support that new newsgroup.
>
> Name it something like comp.unix.solaris.zfs.
>
> Or just have it all go to comp.unix.solaris, which of course already exists.
>
>
> Anyway, I hope I've answered your question.
>
> Cheers!
>
> David
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: James C. McPherson [mailto:j...@opensolaris.org]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:55 PM
> To: David Combs
> Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org
> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
>
> On 12/06/12 06:40 AM, David Combs wrote:
> > Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
>
> Actually, no. Where's the value in having a newsgroup as well as a mailing
> list?
>
>
> James C. McPherson
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> -
> No virus found in this message.
Good to know, I better trust this info - just like spam that says it's
not spam :P
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5062 - Release Date: 06/11/12
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
Advantages to true newsgroup? THREADS! If you wait until a thread is finished, you can then see the entire thread, and if you want, you can download the whole thing, or just parts thereof. Great for learning, if you're mostly a lurker, not posting answers. That's vastly simpler than getting a thousand emails, saving them all in a file, and then having to sort them by subject-line (modified so "RE:", etc are ignored in sort key), to get them grouped by zfs-topic. What a pain. When via a powerful newsreader (I use trn4), all of that is done for you automatically. Furthermore, at least one newsreader, trn4, via its "t" (tree) command, will draw a tree (rooted at the right side of the page, but the text oriented so you can read right-side-up, without turning your head sideways) so you can pursue topics, can see how they lay out, or better yet, delete, say, flame subthreads (surely not a problem with zfs-discuss). Besides that, you don't have posts hitting your regular email list, diluting the urgent stuff you really do have to respond to, making it easier to miss that stuff. Lets you keep newsgroup-TYPE stuff (eg zfs-discuss email) separate from true-email stuff. -- QUESTION: how much effort (for someone who already knows how, has done it before) to create a newsgroup that mirrors a listserv? Once done, all anyone has to do is request from his friendly isp (mine is panix.com, *very* friendly) to support that new newsgroup. Name it something like comp.unix.solaris.zfs. Or just have it all go to comp.unix.solaris, which of course already exists. Anyway, I hope I've answered your question. Cheers! David -Original Message- From: James C. McPherson [mailto:j...@opensolaris.org] Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:55 PM To: David Combs Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? On 12/06/12 06:40 AM, David Combs wrote: > Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? Actually, no. Where's the value in having a newsgroup as well as a mailing list? James C. McPherson -- Oracle http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5062 - Release Date: 06/11/12 ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
On 12/06/12 06:40 AM, David Combs wrote: Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? Actually, no. Where's the value in having a newsgroup as well as a mailing list? James C. McPherson -- Oracle http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] Is there an actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss?
Actual newsgroup for zfs-discuss? David ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
