Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Paul Osborne
> > > Some on the list have mentioned in the past that God does not > love > > > sinners, and tried to use recent statements on "unconditional" > love to > > > prove their point. > > > > > > I'd like to quote Elder Neal Maxwell, perhaps the current > scriptural > > > scholar among the apostles,

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Stacy Smith
I agree wholeheartedly. After all, he sends his sun to rise on the just and on the unjust and makes rain to fall too. Stacy. At 08:20 PM 05/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: Some on the list have mentioned in the past that God does not love sinners, and tried to use recent statements on "unconditional

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Stacy Smith
Yes, he loves all sinners--just not unconditionally. Stacy. At 11:28 PM 05/28/2003 -0400, you wrote: I can attest that, based upon my own personal experiences and confirmations and outright manifestations of God, that God does indeed love me, a sinner. Jon - Original Message - From: "Ge

[ZION] Conditional love

2003-05-29 Thread Jim Cobabe
Excerpts from: Russell M. Nelson, “Divine Love,” Ensign, Feb. 2003, 20 While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional. The word does not appear in the scriptures. On the other hand, many verses affirm that the

Re: [ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Jon Spencer
I can attest that, based upon my own personal experiences and confirmations and outright manifestations of God, that God does indeed love me, a sinner. Jon - Original Message - From: "Gerald Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28

[ZION] Fuel cell connection email subscription

2003-05-29 Thread Jon Spencer
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Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I'm with Heidi--When you live here, you can tell by the color of the sky when there is even a potential for a tornado, not to mention all the warning systems in place. Our county has Civil Defense sirens placed so that everyone can hear them. They even updated them a couple of years ago so they r

[ZION] God's love

2003-05-29 Thread Gerald Smith
Some on the list have mentioned in the past that God does not love sinners, and tried to use recent statements on "unconditional" love to prove their point. I'd like to quote Elder Neal Maxwell, perhaps the current scriptural scholar among the apostles, and definitely the most eloquent and prolifi

[ZION] Constitutional losses

2003-05-29 Thread Gerald Smith
Val, The government already has most of these search authorities. They have just reorganized them somewhat to make it more efficient for the new Homeland Dept. In all reality, we generally have more freedoms now than in previous generations in this country. It isn't the first time that freedoms h

Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-29 Thread hkpage
Jon writes: rom: It's tornados that scare me. Now, see, I'm kinda opposite. While tornadoes scare me, I know that with technology being what it is, there is a MUCH better chance that you're going to get a warning that a tornado is heading your way. With an earthquake, there is no reliable way

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I can direct you to our local station's news story and what our local libraries are doing about it. Most libraries already have signs posted telling patrons about the new Patriot Act's policies. http://www.wndu.com/news/contact16/contact16_3291.php val On Wed, 28 May 2003 05:37:40 -0700 Stacy S

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Scott McGee
George, I don't necessarily see it that way, but I certainly consider that as one of the likely possibilities. I also see saving the US as a possibility, and would like to hope that is what happens. My own personal guess would tend to be more like what you suggest or perhaps saving some small port

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Scott McGee
George, I don't necessarily see it that way, but I certainly consider that as one of the likely possibilities. I also see saving the US as a possibility, and would like to hope that is what happens. My own personal guess would tend to be more like what you suggest or perhaps saving some small port

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:37 AM 5/28/2003, you wrote: Steven - even in Knowlton's quote it does not say the nation would be saved, only that the constitution will be borne away from destruction. This may very well be separate from the entity known as the United States. It is unlikely, for example, that the city of Z

Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-29 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 01:44 AM 5/29/03 +0800, Mark Gregson wrote: > It could have been be worse . . . > Massive tsunami sweeps Atlantic Coast in asteroid impact scenario However, other calculations show that for asteriods under one kilometer in diameter the tsunami wouldn't be unbelievably massive. The US Navy did

Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-29 Thread Mark Gregson
> It could have been be worse . . . > Massive tsunami sweeps Atlantic Coast in asteroid impact scenario However, other calculations show that for asteriods under one kilometer in diameter the tsunami wouldn't be unbelievably massive. The US Navy did a study on explosion-produced tsunamis a

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread George Cobabe
Steven - even in Knowlton's quote it does not say the nation would be saved, only that the constitution will be borne away from destruction. This may very well be separate from the entity known as the United States. It is unlikely, for example, that the city of Zion in the Mississippi valley will

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread George Cobabe
I think that you will find that the elders of the church are not prophesied to save the constitution, but rather the "principles" of the constitution. I suggest that means that after the United States has gone down in flames the only people that will still be free with the constitutional principles

RE: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:54 AM 5/28/2003, you wrote: Stacy Smith: I have most of the writings of Joseph Smith. I'm going to hunt up what was said. ___ I think someone already posted the two best quotes I have ever heard on the subject. The problem, as I see it, is that if the elders are going to save

Re: [ZION] Composing a letter to the Church

2003-05-29 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 05:23 AM 5/28/03 -0700, Stacy Smith wrote: Producing braille materials and cassettes may be more costly in the long run than computerizing. Maybe. But do (or can) all blind people use computers? Do you have any idea what percentage of blind people are not computer literate, and if that is

RE: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Larry Jackson
Stacy Smith: I have most of the writings of Joseph Smith. I'm going to hunt up what was said. ___ I think someone already posted the two best quotes I have ever heard on the subject. The problem, as I see it, is that if the elders are going to save the constitution as it hangs