Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > I believe that in general prophecies tend to be broader than just > > one issue, and it's we members who narrow them down (all of us, or > > most of us). > > I tend to agree with this. Interesting, then, that you wrote: > > > and Elder Nelson's words were, a

RE: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- > I believe that in general prophecies tend to be broader than just > one issue, and it's we members who narrow them down (all of us, or > most of us). I tend to agree with this. Interesting, then, that you wrote: > and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm concerned, very clear > and

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. > > Life's too short, > > Not that I necessarily disagree with the above, but if that's how you > feel, why are you so willing to engage in "point-by-point games" at > other times? > I'm human.

RE: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- > Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. > Life's too short, Not that I necessarily disagree with the above, but if that's how you feel, why are you so willing to engage in "point-by-point games" at other times? > and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm conc

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. Life's too short, and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm concerned, very clear and unamibiguous. Dan, in the course of his discussion, which wasn't just about Elder Nelson's talk, has used two sources. I criticized the first one

RE: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Marc- > Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the > Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can > still, with all due respect, "not get it" after hearing this talk. And I have a difficult time seeing why people are so eager to twist an apostle's words into sup

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread vicgh25
September 11th was a defining moment in history, it showed that America could be attacked within her own borders; it didn't need an ICBM as has been the thinking. It would be tragic that when (not if) it happens again; and what could be the outcome (will cities not buildings lay waste)? Lastel

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-09 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Except for the problem of western militarism. Gary Smith wrote: > There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just > drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and > flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another > compound until

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-08 Thread Paul Osborne
>There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just >drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and >flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another >compound until he agrees to let inspectors visit everywhere. Either way, >the proble

[ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-08 Thread Gary Smith
There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another compound until he agrees to let inspectors visit everywhere. Either way, the problem wil

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can still, with all due respect, "not get it" after hearing this talk. He said "as a CHURCH we should renounce war" and emphasized that it would be the descendants of Ishmael and

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-07 Thread Paul Osborne
>It appears to me that is only a matter of time before Saddam does the same. > >Should a nation sit back and let it happen or should there be a response? Saddam is a stupid idiot. I don't think he is any threat to the USA. I think America needs to mind there own business and let the other cou

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-07 Thread vicgh25
Within the first chapters of the Book of Mormon it talks about Nephi chopping off the head of Laban. Toward the end of the Book of Mormon it talks about Mormon and Moroni warring against the Lamanites. In between, there is bloodshed and it gives me the impression as long as one is fighting fo

[ZION] Iraq and War

2002-10-06 Thread Gary Smith
I definitely find it interesting how his talk should bring the saints back to where we should be: peacemakers. I have pondered much about the war w/Iraq over the past month or two, and have concluded that I'll support my country in whatever it decides, however I think we should back off of war unt

Re: [ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I don't mean to belabour the point, but I'm sometimes amazed at the things you and I agree on. This could be bad for your reputation, you know "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > > I felt that it should throw a bucket of cold water on some of those saints who are >in favor of a war with Iraq. He sa

Re: [ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 03:48 PM 10/5/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: >Elder Russell M. Nelson's talk -- did you notice his emphasis on how >Ishmael and Jacob's cooperation following their father's death should >serve as an example, that their present-day descendants should emerge as >peacemakers in the re

[ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Elder Russell M. Nelson's talk -- did you notice his emphasis on how Ishmael and Jacob's cooperation following their father's death should serve as an example, that their present-day descendants should emerge as peacemakers in the region? What think ye? -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta

Re: [ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-04 Thread Jon Spencer
Actually, I do agree that this is a big mistake. Since probably at most only 1/2 of your armed forces are fighting forces, when the Mexican army reaches your border with the US, you may really miss those 2,000. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US forces

[ZION] Iraq and war

2002-10-03 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US forces to Iraq (this is about the same that was committed in the Afghan conflict). Big mistake, imo. But you probably already knew that. http://www.canada.com/edmonton/story.asp?id={46C902C1-54EA-48C3-AF0D-328588B036B8} -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce