Re: [ZION] A reading list
I have not got to that part yet. I am only to the initial baptism section. So far though, I find it very good, although sometimes not as deep in background quotes as I might have expected. He is on another list I participate in and I may yet have some questions for him. George - Original Message - From: Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] A reading list I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information from his sources in that area. Gary George Cobabe wrote: Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions. I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens. A excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon from historical as well as non-mormon perspective. Chapter Eight on Dialogic Revelation and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles was truly eye-opening. I have just started Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early Christianity By Barry Bickmore. It looks at the early Christian Church and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare so favorably with our current doctrines. It looks very good. George - Original Message - From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: [ZION] A reading list I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has. So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have had mixed results. At times I have started threads that have lasted weeks. Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I suppose it could not even be called a thread. We shall see how this one works out. Please forgive the lightheartedness. I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email
[ZION] A reading list
I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has. So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have had mixed results. At times I have started threads that have lasted weeks. Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I suppose it could not even be called a thread. We shall see how this one works out. Please forgive the lightheartedness. I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right." -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] A reading list
Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions. I just finished reading "By the Hand of Mormon" by Terryl Givens. A excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon from historical as well as non-mormon perspective. Chapter Eight on "Dialogic Revelation" and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles was truly eye-opening. I have just started "Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early Christianity" By Barry Bickmore. It looks at the early Christian Church and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare so favorably with our current doctrines. It looks very good. George - Original Message - From: "Cousin Bill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "ZION" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: [ZION] A reading list I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has. So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have had mixed results. At times I have started threads that have lasted weeks. Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I suppose it could not even be called a thread. We shall see how this one works out. Please forgive the lightheartedness. I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right." -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] A reading list
From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] A reading list Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 00:01:36 +0900 So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Read Ann Coulter _Treason_ and _Slander_... Read _Shut Up and Sing!_ by Laura Ingraham. Read When Character was King, by Noonan. In gospel books: _Joseph Smith_ by Remini and the new edition of _Joseph Smith's New England Heritage_ by Anderson... It's tough to say this, because it sounds so trite -- I loved them all. _ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] A reading list
I'm currently reading this note you sent. ;-) I'm also involved in how to write science fiction and fantasy by our own Orson Scott Card; and The Book of J edited by Harold Bloom. Gary Cousin Bill wrote: I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has. So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have had mixed results. At times I have started threads that have lasted weeks. Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I suppose it could not even be called a thread. We shall see how this one works out. Please forgive the lightheartedness. I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. -- Carl Schurz Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] A reading list
I have Barry's book. It is very good, with one exception. I think the Baptism for the Dead section is a little weak. But that isn't through any fault of his. The reality is, there isn't much ancient information whatsoever on baptisms for the dead. His stuff on an anthropomorphic God is excellent, but I would have included a little bit more information from his sources in that area. Gary George Cobabe wrote: Ah - a topic that will not engender evil emotions. I just finished reading By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens. A excellant book regarding the history and perspectives of the Book of Mormon from historical as well as non-mormon perspective. Chapter Eight on Dialogic Revelation and the Book of Mormon's application of the principles was truly eye-opening. I have just started Restoring the Ancient Church, Joseph Smith and Early Christianity By Barry Bickmore. It looks at the early Christian Church and describes how it was corrupted and then how the early doctrines compare so favorably with our current doctrines. It looks very good. George - Original Message - From: Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ZION [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:01 AM Subject: [ZION] A reading list I'm sorry to rain on everyone's parade. I see that many people enjoy discussing the gospel. I do not qualify to join such discussions. I just don't have the knowledge everyone else has. So I decided to start a new thread. In the past, my efforts have had mixed results. At times I have started threads that have lasted weeks. Other times my post seems to be the only one, so I suppose it could not even be called a thread. We shall see how this one works out. Please forgive the lightheartedness. I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] A reading list
Gerald Smith wrote: I'm currently reading this note you sent. ;-) I'm also involved in how to write science fiction and fantasy by our own Orson Scott Card; and The Book of J edited by Harold Bloom. Gary This is really a coincidence. I'm reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Bloom, and he makes a lot of references to THE BOOK OF J. Also, I own the Card book and have recently put it back on my reading schedule because I just started a SF novel a few weeks ago. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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Cousin Bill wrote: I was just wondering what everyone is reading these days. I'm currently working my way through Red Rabbit by Tom Clancy. I had decided to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, but I didn't get too far before I realized that I will need to get the Cliff Notes to go with that. My little brain just doesn't function that well. Luckily I will be heading for Savannah next month so I plan to pick it up then. I'm thinking of reading Contact by Carl Sagan next. I really enjoyed the movie, and I can't imagine anyone having seen that movie without being convinced that there is life out there beyond the confines of the earth. So does anyone care to share what they are reading these days? Or their thoughts on life in outer space? I'm kind of angry at myself. Astute readers will notice that I have a new e-mail address. I also have a new computer. I downloaded the SETI program, but when I tried to add on to my previous SETI total they asked for my password. I have no idea, and since they only send the password to the old address (which has since been cancelled), I'm out of luck. I had over 400 completed work units, and had to start over. I'm at about 90 now. One good thing, my new computer whips through those work units between two and three times as fast as my old computer. Anyway, I ask again, what are you guys reading? I've been reading THE AMERICAN RELIGION by Harold Bloom and discussing it some online both here and on some of the other lists. Recently I finished reading a western by Ralph Compton entitled THE VIRGINIA CITY TRAIL. Also, I'm trying to finish up reading THE TEACHINGS OF GORDON B. HINCKLEY, but I have quite a way to go. It is a pretty big book and not exactly fast reading. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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I'm currently reading: _The Moral Basis of a Free Society_, by H. Verlan Andersen. Lysistrata, by Aristophanes. _The Hound of the Baskervilles_, by Arthur Conan Doyle. The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html ) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a ten-year reading list? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] A reading list
Steven Montgomery wrote: The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html ) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a ten-year reading list? There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation. Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each? If not, they should be on a ten year reading list. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] A reading list
At 01:11 PM 11/7/2003, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: The play by Aristophanes is book two of a Great Books of the Western World reading plan (See: http://www.io.com/~beckerdo/books/gb195210.html ) that I have embarked upon. There are many such plans available. Many of the books (Or selections) I have already read so I might skip them and replace them with others. What books would you (Or should I) include in a ten-year reading list? There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation. Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each? If not, they should be on a ten year reading list. --JWR Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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Steven Montgomery wrote: Let's see, if I recall correctly, I've read the Teachings of President Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Howard W. Hunter and Gordon B. Hinckley. I've also read the Journal of Discourses. I have also read the complete (to my knowledge, at least) published works of, Spencer W. Kimball, Ezra Taft Benson, Bruce R. McConkie, and Gordon B. Hinckley. In addition I've read much of the writings of every other Prophet of this dispensation. As well as many other books, biographies and histories. Next time you are by my place drop in. I will give you a chocolate covered attaboy. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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John W. Redelfs wrote: There have been 15 Presidents of the Church in this dispensation. Have you read the standard compilation of the sermons of each? If not, they should be on a ten year reading list. --JWR Grampa Bill comments: Sounds to me like a shameless plug for http://www.zionsbest.com . Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
